Is Adam Crosthwaite the new Greg Dyer?

[caboose]

Those who watched Test cricket during the 80s should remember what happened to NSW and then Australian 'keeper Greg Dyer - and how his career all but ended the day TV cameras revealed that he'd claimed a 'catch' after a ball had hit the ground.

(For those who don't recall the incident, I suggest typing in "Greg Dyer" + "Andrew Jones" into google.)

I'm just wondering if people who remember Dyer think tonight's incident involving Crosthwaite was similar and/or if it has the potential to dog him for the rest of his career?

For the kid's sake, it's to be hoped that he doesn't cop the same stigma as Dyer's career was basically ruined by that incident.

Thoughts?

 

[kane249]

He shall forever be known as Adam Cheathswaite to me

 

[Marklar_33]

You;d hope that he wouldn't have let it get that far, especially after seeing the replay. No shame in admitting a mistake, but after seeing it and letting it slide, well...

Vics - 20/20 3-cheat

 

[Jolldo87]

He shall forever be known as Adam Cheathswaite to me

F*** off, he thought he caught it and claimed it as anyone would do. if he was cheating his reaction wouldn't have been as immediate.

 

[Marklar_33]

F*** off, he thought he caught it and claimed it as anyone would do. if he was cheating his reaction wouldn't have been as immediate.

when you discover you ****ed up, CALL HIM BACK!

 

[Marklar_33]

and anyway, if you practise your cheating enough, you can make it so your reaction is instantaneous... wouldnt be a good cheat otherwise

 

[eddiesmith]

Dont see why people are talking crap about his reaction after seeing the replay, all I saw was him talking to a team mate, nodding and pointing to the tip of the glove showing where it hit

If Ronchi had claimed a catch that replays showed were inconclusive, none of those bagging Crossy would be getting stuck in

 

[Jolldo87]

when you discover you ****ed up, CALL HIM BACK!

i agree with that. if the replays conclusively show the ball bounced call him back, which they didn't. if they had have it's not up to him to call him back it's up to the captain of the umpires.

 

[caboose]

If Ronchi had claimed a catch that replays showed were inconclusive, none of those bagging Crossy would be getting stuck in

Oh boy. It's hard to believe there could actually be so many flawed premises in the space of a single sentence.

if the replays conclusively show the ball bounced call him back, which they didn't. if they had have it's not up to him to call him back it's up to the captain of the umpires.

Say what?!

 

[Trifle]

Just another reason to use technology (If you have it use it),so as to be fair to both teams and umpires (Glorified coathangers)

 

[eddiesmith]

Just another reason to use technology (If you have it use it),so as to be fair to both teams and umpires (Glorified coathangers)

Yet technology tells you nothing on 99% of them just like the one tonight and the Clarke one

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Those who watched Test cricket during the 80s should remember what happened to NSW and then Australian 'keeper Greg Dyer - and how his career all but ended the day TV cameras revealed that he'd claimed a 'catch' after a ball had hit the ground.

(For those who don't recall the incident, I suggest typing in "Greg Dyer" + "Andrew Jones" into google.)

I'm just wondering if people who remember Dyer think tonight's incident involving Crosthwaite was similar and/or if it has the potential to dog him for the rest of his career?

For the kid's sake, it's to be hoped that he doesn't cop the same stigma as Dyer's career was basically ruined by that incident.

Thoughts?

Greg Dyer's 1st class career ended at Adelaide against South Australia. Darren Lehmann was batting in one of his first matches for SA and creaming the bowling. He got to 55 when he took off for a single.

The bowler, none other than Geoff Lawson, ran from the other side of the pitch, across Lehmann's path to field the ball and tripped him up. He then picked up the ball, and with Lehmann face down on the pitch, threw to ball to NSW's keeper and captain Greg Dyer.

Dyer had the option to do the fair thing and not remove the bails but like the ordinary being he was, elected to remove the bails and appeal. The umpire had no option but to give Lehmann out.

As Lehmann was leaving the ground, the crowd were booing loudly and Dyer could have called him back, but for the second time elected not to do the right thing.

Taking into consideration his past history, NSW decided that was it for Dyer and he was sacked immediately.

I have been particularly bemused of late to read Lawson's criticisms of the current Australia team for being too arrogant and their "win at all costs" approach, when he himself knocked a batsman over to field a ball, and then elected to run him out.

Poor form Henry ... you thought nobody rememered, didn't you fool?

 

[Trifle]

Yet technology tells you nothing on 99% of them just like the one tonight and the Clarke one

Camera looking down wicket shows ball bouncing.. (that means it touched the ground) or does it bounce in mid air?

 

[Jolldo87]

Camera looking down wicket shows ball bouncing.. (that means it touched the ground) or does it bounce in mid air?

no it didn't.

 

[Trifle]

no it didn't.

yes it did, it bounced into the gloves..they will play it again soon..
only showed that angle once .. and commented on it

 

[eddiesmith]

yes it did, it bounced into the gloves..they will play it again soon..
only showed that angle once .. and commented on it

They said cant see anything from that angle

 

[caboose]

Greg Dyer's 1st class career ended at Adelaide against South Australia. Darren Lehmann was batting in one of his first matches for SA and creaming the bowling. He got to 55 when he took off for a single.

The bowler, none other than Geoff Lawson, ran from the other side of the pitch, across Lehmann's path to field the ball and tripped him up. He then picked up the ball, and with Lehmann face down on the pitch, threw to ball to NSW's keeper and captain Greg Dyer.

Dyer had the option to do the fair thing and not remove the bails but like the ordinary being he was, elected to remove the bails and appeal. The umpire had no option but to give Lehmann out.

As Lehmann was leaving the ground, the crowd were booing loudly and Dyer could have called him back, but for the second time elected not to do the right thing.

Taking into consideration his past history, NSW decided that was it for Dyer and he was sacked immediately.

I have been particularly bemused of late to read Lawson's criticisms of the current Australia team for being too arrogant and their "win at all costs" approach, when he himself knocked a batsman over to field a ball, and then elected to run him out.

Poor form Henry ... you thought nobody rememered, didn't you fool?

Ah yes, that brings back some memories as well. Had forgotten about that.

Lawson's attitude around his 0/0 declaration in a match against Tasmania in the early 90s is something he's probably not keen to have raised these days as well. And it's fading from my memory rapidly - but didn't he and Hookes get into a furious public argument once about a declaration that one of them failed to make in a SA v NSW match too?

 

[goal sneak]

There is no way you can say that the ball clearly bounced. Each angle i saw looked like he got his gloves under it.

 

[AFKAJR]

There is no way you can say that the ball clearly bounced. Each angle i saw looked like he got his gloves under it.

You are ferk'n joking. I was at the game and sitting at 3rd amn and you could cleary see it bounced when it happened live, the whole crowd reacted instantly. How on earth the square leg umpire didn't see any doubt in the decision is beyond me.

 

[Jolldo87]

There is no way you can say that the ball clearly bounced. Each angle i saw looked like he got his gloves under it.

yep thats correct

 

[bedford]

You are ferk'n joking. I was at the game and sitting at 3rd amn and you could cleary see it bounced when it happened live, the whole crowd reacted instantly. How on earth the square leg umpire didn't see any doubt in the decision is beyond me.

have a look in the scorebook its OUT.

game over

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Ah yes, that brings back some memories as well. Had forgotten about that.

Lawson's attitude around his 0/0 declaration in a match against Tasmania in the early 90s is something he's probably not keen to have raised these days as well. And it's fading from my memory rapidly - but didn't he and Hookes get into a furious public argument once about a declaration that one of them failed to make in a SA v NSW match too?

I can remember there was an incident, but can't recall the details. It had something to do with Lawson suggesting he would set a target if Hookes declared, but he went back on his word.

The problem SA had for years in Sheffield Shield is having captains like Ian Chappell, David Hookes, and to a lesser degree Darren Lehmann, they used to play attacking cricket and set up results.

Captains of the other states knew this and used to leave it up to SA to do all the running, only to have it backfire on us. Hookes' 100 in 34 balls stuffed us up before other sides were too scared to set any sort of reasonable target.

 

[patsmith]

Congratulations to Victoria, they probably deserved to win.

In saying that, there is no room in a gentleman's game for blatant, deliberate cheating.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Just another reason to use technology (If you have it use it),so as to be fair to both teams and umpires (Glorified coathangers)

The technology simply fails with the low catches. Many clean catches look suspect at best thanks to camera angles, slope of the ground, etc.

Regarding the the current incident; I've only seen the Crosthwaite one once, it looked like a catch to me. Even if it wasn't, in no way would it be comparable to Dyer.

 

[CAS79]

OMG I've just seen the tape of the game

Why oh Why with a score of over 200 did you feel the need to do it