Mega Thread General MFC Discussion IV – Roffey and Pert Gone, Bartlett Case Settled

[Mich0]

Demons reveal Brayshaw payout figure; Petracca returns to training track

The Demons have disclosed the payout to Angus Brayshaw in a year when the premiership star was forced into retirement. This came on a day when Christian Petracca made an early return to pre-season training.

www.theage.com.au

Another gift from Lamb.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

But the fact he was contracted until 2028 means the full amount of what could be a heavily back-ended contract must also be included in the salary cap in 2027 and 2028.

If it was indeed back ended that should be enough to get someone fired. Irresponsible to give someone with concussion issues that long of a deal to begin with let alone back ending it.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

The AFL made sure that Collingwood were able to write off most of Murphy's salary while we got left holding the bucket for Brayshaw's. If a player is medically retired due to concussion the club should not have to include future payments in the salary cap, we got screwed on that one again.

I don't think anyone was upset with the club when Brayshaw re-signed in late 2022 and knocked back Freo.

 

[Topkent]

The AFL made sure that Collingwood were able to write off most of Murphy's salary while we got left holding the bucket for Brayshaw's. If a player is medically retired due to concussion the club should not have to include future payments in the salary cap, we got screwed on that one again.

I don't think anyone was upset with the club when Brayshaw re-signed in late 2022 and knocked back Freo.

Wrong. Plenty of us thought it was a dumb deal at the time. Signing a guy with concussion issues to a long term deal was ****ing dumb and the club deserves to suffer for it.
I would have happily lost him to freo. Soon as he resigned he was jammed back into the midfield and was crap

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Wrong. Plenty of us thought it was a dumb deal at the time. Signing a guy with concussion issues to a long term deal was ****ing dumb and the club deserves to suffer for it.
I would have happily lost him to freo. Soon as he resigned he was jammed back into the midfield and was crap

Fair enough if that was your opinion at the time, every Melbourne supporters I knew was happy we had retained Gus, a heart and soul player who was one of the most crucial in turning the tide in the 3rd quarter of the 2021 GF.

My point stands though that players who are medically retired due to concussion should not have their salary inuded in the cap. It makes it especially frustrating considering the circumstances of Brayshaw's retirement and knowing the AFL made the rules up on the fly that covered one clubs salary and not another. If the situation were reversed I have no doubt what the outcome would have been and our club just seemed to cop it sweet.

 

[Topkent]

Fair enough if that was your opinion at the time, every Melbourne supporters I knew was happy we had retained Gus, a heart and soul player who was one of the most crucial in turning the tide in the 3rd quarter of the 2021 GF.

My point stands though that players who are medically retired due to concussion should not have their salary inuded in the cap. It makes it especially frustrating considering the circumstances of Brayshaw's retirement and knowing the AFL made the rules up on the fly that covered one clubs salary and not another. If the situation were reversed I have no doubt what the outcome would have been and our club just seemed to cop it sweet.

I would have been fine keeping him he was a very handy player, but 5 years for a bloke who everyone knew was one bad concussion away from finishing was insane and I don't blame the AFL for making us pay it. If I worked for the AFL and the AFL was 100% liable I wouldn't have signed off on that contract in the first place. Like it wasn't even a 3 year deal with say 50 games played to trigger 2 years. It was just a bad choice.

 

[Daemon]

I would have been fine keeping him he was a very handy player, but 5 years for a bloke who everyone knew was one bad concussion away from finishing was insane and I don't blame the AFL for making us pay it. If I worked for the AFL and the AFL was 100% liable I wouldn't have signed off on that contract in the first place. Like it wasn't even a 3 year deal with say 50 games played to trigger 2 years. It was just a bad choice.

Indeed, it was an unnecessarily long and expense contract. Then he had the gall to demand to play more midfield time when he was playing his best footy at half back.

 

[TheBoss]

I don't understand why posters are salty at the club for Brayshaw's contract. He was seemingly over his concussion issues and barely missed a game since 2018.

It is not the club's fault that he got medically retired after being sniped by a thug whose actions were so egregious that the AFL changed the rules weeks later.

I don't think Maynard intended to concuss Brayshaw, but he definitely intended to put him on his ass. Let's be honest, Maynard would have come down with palms in front of him if he was going to land on Naicos.

Injuries are part of the game, and is one of the risks with long term deals. But having players be retired following injuries caused by acts of poor sportsmanship should not be seen as a failure by the list manager, those things are not foreseeable.

 

[stEdy]

Brayshaw was always the ultimate team-man and played wherever the coach wanted him - I really don't think he held the club to ransom and demanded midfield time.

 

[PerfectFooty]

I don't understand why posters are salty at the club for Brayshaw's contract. He was seemingly over his concussion issues and barely missed a game since 2018.

It is not the club's fault that he got medically retired after being sniped by a thug whose actions were so egregious that the AFL changed the rules weeks later.

I don't think Maynard intended to concuss Brayshaw, but he definitely intended to put him on his ass. Let's be honest, Maynard would have come down with palms in front of him if he was going to land on Naicos.

Injuries are part of the game, and is one of the risks with long term deals. But having players be retired following injuries caused by acts of poor sportsmanship should not be seen as a failure by the list manager, those things are not foreseeable.

Because longer contracts are stupid in general. As you said injuries are part of the game, but any club that plans out proper should be aware of the risks. One day a player could be fine, the next he could be a couple of ACL's down the track. Yes you never know what is going to happen, but you plan for the unknown

But this isn't a problem related to us, longer contracts are trending up at a lot of clubs

 

[TheBoss]

Because longer contracts are stupid in general. As you said injuries are part of the game, but any club that plans out proper should be aware of the risks. One day a player could be fine, the next he could be a couple of ACL's down the track. Yes you never know what is going to happen, but you plan for the unknown

But this isn't a problem related to us, longer contracts are trending up at a lot of clubs

Longer contracts are just a side effect of the free agency rule changes. It has never been easier for players to switch clubs.

MFC can't lowball players and expect them to stay. Anyone that is half decent will snag a better a deal elsewhere.

 

[Topkent]

Longer contracts are just a side effect of the free agency rule changes. It has never been easier for players to switch clubs.

MFC can't lowball players and expect them to stay. Anyone that is half decent will snag a better a deal elsewhere.

Then you reap what you sow with stupid long contracts when the player retires early

 

[Bluelegs]

Demons reveal Brayshaw payout figure; Petracca returns to training track

The Demons have disclosed the payout to Angus Brayshaw in a year when the premiership star was forced into retirement. This came on a day when Christian Petracca made an early return to pre-season training.

www.theage.com.au

'could be a heavily backended contract' is interesting phrasing

 

[Squarky]

I thought Gus' contract was unnecessarily long when it was signed. He was good but at that point, he was no Petracca, Gawn or Oliver.

That said, I don't think those outer years should land in the salary cap at all. It was news to me that players who retire due to injury have any of their payout included in the future years' salary cap. Gus isn't Jaidyn Stephenson

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, who just gave up.

The fact is that clubs aren't giving long, high-value contracts to players they think are duds. This outcome means MFC now doesn't have a good player it planned to have, and also effectively can't replace him. I get that the AFL are trying to avoid clubs gaming the system by paying players until they're 42, but this particular situation isn't the problem they're trying to solve.

I'd be content if clubs who have contracted in good faith with players who get medically retired:

• have to pay the contract out
• have the future years' payments excluded from the salary cap (or most of those payments)
• have to fund the payout themselves (ie. have it deducted from AFL distributions)

This would create a financial disincentive, but wouldn't affect the competitive balance provided by the salary cap. Think it's more consistent with what the AFL should be trying to achieve.

 

[dazzledavey36]

I don't understand why posters are salty at the club for Brayshaw's contract. He was seemingly over his concussion issues and barely missed a game since 2018.

It is not the club's fault that he got medically retired after being sniped by a thug whose actions were so egregious that the AFL changed the rules weeks later.

I don't think Maynard intended to concuss Brayshaw, but he definitely intended to put him on his ass. Let's be honest, Maynard would have come down with palms in front of him if he was going to land on Naicos.

Injuries are part of the game, and is one of the risks with long term deals. But having players be retired following injuries caused by acts of poor sportsmanship should not be seen as a failure by the list manager, those things are not foreseeable.

So he was seemingly over his concussion issues and yet it only took one hit to medically retire him? lol.. you realise how dumb this sounds?

It was a stupid contract right from the very start and we paid the price.

Dumb by the footy club.

 

[schmuttt]

So he was seemingly over his concussion issues and yet it only took one hit to medically retire him? lol.. you realise how dumb this sounds?

It was a stupid contract right from the very start and we paid the price.

Dumb by the footy club.

Yep, incredibly dumb by the club. Don't blame Gus for taking it (And I don't actually think he held us to ransom to play in the middle) but we've just been so sloppy with these contracts.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Longer contracts worked out well for us in one sense, if we didn't have players signed up long term wed probably have lost our two best mids for peanuts this offseason.

 

[TheBoss]

Insinuating that Gus was not worthy of a long term deal for past concussion issues is such a brain dead hot take.

From 2018 until his retirement he played 131 out of a possible 138 games. He was no greater injury risk than any other player on our list.

 

[markm106]

The thing with long contract is that someone will offer one if you don’t. Brayshaw would have gone to Freo for sure if we only offered a short term deal. And as mentioned above he barely missed a game for a number of years. Interestingly in that time Brayshaw copped a few big hits. But the Maynard hit was huge. Knocked him clean out cold. Would have done to any player. But he was certainly likely one big concussion away from retirement.
I think while we’re looking back in hindsight you could say we shouldn’t have given Gus a long term deal, inside the club he was so well regarded on and off the field. He has been described as the glue.

 

[Bluelegs]

Tbh 3.1m over 5 years is much lower than what I thought his contract would be.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Tbh 3.1m over 5 years is much lower than what I thought his contract would be.

With whatever we save in the cap over the next 3 years (90%, 75% and 50%) and it being "heavily backhanded" it will end up being ~ 0 games for somewhere between 2 - 2.4m you'd assume .... well done dickheads.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Longer contracts worked out well for us in one sense, if we didn't have players signed up long term wed probably have lost our two best mids for peanuts this offseason.

Meanwhile if Oliver has another season like 2024 we may have to give a pick away with him for someone to take that contract.

 

[GoDees69]

Tbh 3.1m over 5 years is much lower than what I thought his contract would be.

Me too. I doubt there would have been so much fuss when he got the contract if it had been expressed as less than 700 a year.

It’s really unfortunate but the long contract thing is the way it’s going to be from now.

Of course, if Mac Andrew has a career ending injury you just know the AFL will tweak the rules to protect GC’s future cap which is frustrating.

The more concerning part is that I’ve heard that Angus isn’t doing too well. I don’t know much, but it could be true. I noticed that he took himself off straight after his speech on the B&F night which isn’t great. Hope he recovers.

 

[markm106]

Me too. I doubt there would have been so much fuss when he got the contract if it had been expressed as less than 700 a year.

It’s really unfortunate but the long contract thing is the way it’s going to be from now.

Of course, if Mac Andrew has a career ending injury you just know the AFL will tweak the rules to protect GC’s future cap which is frustrating.

The more concerning part is that I’ve heard that Angus isn’t doing too well. I don’t know much, but it could be true. I noticed that he took himself off straight after his speech on the B&F night which isn’t great. Hope he recovers.

I have heard he’s not doing too well either. Can’t do any physical activity. Not even golf which he loved.