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Just because your club (more just one weirdo ex president) is deluded enough to count “premierships” before the premiership was established, doesn’t make it correct.

There wasn’t even a ladder before 1888.

On your second point correct, Essendon won four in a row 1891-94.

I understand the pre-VFL days might not be relevant for many newer clubs, but this is a conversation about the historic Victorian clubs, predominantly Collingwood, Carlton and Essendon. All were in the pre-VFL VFA, so of course the premierships count when comparing clubs.

20 Essendon

17 Collingwood

16 Carlton

13 Richmond, Melbourne, Hawthorn