Does our strategy need to change in 2012?

[coopernewf]

I'm interested to see what everyone thinks. Our press style game plan has been picked apart. What with Bucks taking over, I'd imagine parts of our game may be tinkered with.

What do you think needs to change, if anything at all?

And, in a separate issue, should we trade any players we feel aren't performing?

 

[TradeDraft]

Yes/

1st thing to Change is not to go around the Bloody Boundry Line all the F**king Time

 

[Alexander323bc]

Yes/

1st thing to Change is not to go around the Bloody Boundry Line all the F**king Time

+1, I agree with TD

 

[si tacuisses]

Yes/

1st thing to Change is not to go around the Bloody Boundry Line all the F**king Time

 

[dook]

strategy had stuff all to do with today's result.

 

[ibby]

I personally think that the 'Press' game style has been copyied by other clubs, and have been picked apart the press game style. I think the gameplan needs to be improved or tweaked otherwise we will be contenders again. Inregards to trades, I think that we have the cattle to will the premership next year, though would like to see collingwood draft a big bodied midfielder with their first pick.

 

[Soul_Pie]

I'm not sure the press has been picked apart but it seems like it no longer has extreme effectiveness and other clubs are utilising aspects of it against us. That being said, at times I'm not sure if it is opposition players picking it apart or whether it's a matter of us not implementing it properly and failing to lock down space in the way that we have in the past.

The press will always exist to some extent, same as zoning, man on man, flooding, etc it's just one more tactic to add to the mix. Bucks is a great football mind and if anyone can come up with the next big game changer it's him. It was brought in mainly to stop the free flowing, handball happy teams of the past, but the nature of football has changed and the tactics will have to change to suit recent developments.

 

[Winthorpe]

+1 for using the corridor.

Plus, I'd like to see our players stronger than ever. Mark Neeld has said that he intends to make Melbourne the toughest team in the competition but I'd much rather the Pies held that mantle. Make them the most physically powerful and intimidating side in the competition. Geelong has had that reputation for years and the Brisbane Lions (of old) had it, too.

I might be alone in saying so but there's still something about the current Collingwood team that seems brittle to me. Despite all of this year's wins and the big margins, physical size, fearlessness and aggression never seemed to be our thing; it always seemed to be more about running speed, working together, quick ball movement, etc. Round 24 showed that that's not always enough. Today showed it, too. I want the Pies to be tough as nails next year. Bigger, stronger, and not afraid to go right up the middle of the ground.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Every gameplan needs to change every year. If you are standing still then you are moving backwards.

I would like us to use the corridor more in clutch moments, and risk going down there. I don't think we should completely move away from the boundary, remember these players have only learnt how to use the boundary.

 

[Temploar]

Yes/

1st thing to Change is not to go around the Bloody Boundry Line all the F**king Time

+1 As well Dave. Hopefully we see a new era of coaching with a totally new style and we are reborn as i believe many opposition teams found out our game plan after a flag win in 2010 and it's highly evident how the centre corridor was hurting us.

Bring on Buckley!

 

[Knightmare]

It will. Buckley is a new coach. Has different ideas to Mick and a different way of doing things.

Expect us to use the corridor more - Nathan when he was part of the media was very critical of us playing the old around the boundary game.

Expect the big focus to be on winning the contested footy. Always the big thing Buckley rates above all else.
Also rates high level kicks and good decision makers so expect a team with a high skill level.
Will probably base his game on what Geelong are doing now with that big focus on contested footy and using the corridor + taking risks and using it well. Just the more updated version with the longer kicking and perhaps his own interpretation.



The one thing I hope Buckley does is work on building those relationships + creating that trust in the playing group that Mick did.
Read a story yesterday or today about how he takes all the new draftees away for a week to get to know them better. Think doing similar things will be of great benefit.

Also will need to gain that coaching intuition that Mick had - read the story by Pendlebury the other day and emphasised how he knows the player. Mick in 08 it might have been told Pendles after starting the season slowly to enjoy his footy and not to put so much pressure on himself. Bucks really needs to have this same understanding of his players and whether they need a push or whether they need something else.

The final thing I'd like to see from Buckley is for him to become a teaching coach above all. He was a great player and has great knowledge of the game. Really needs to help teach his players 1 on 1 - I think this is how he will most effectively teach and he can work on skills, gameday IQ or whatever other areas he wants to work on.



Don't think gameday strategy will be such an issue for Bucks. Understands the game. He has that knowledge and will do his homework. But with that said I think the team will take a while to adjust to his structures + don't think we will get that flag in his first year - even if our list is probably the best going around just because it takes a while to adjust to these things. But possibly in year 2 or 3 of his coaching career I wouldn't be surprised to see us win that next flag.

 

[Trav68]

The one thing I hope Buckley does is work on building those relationships + creating that trust in the playing group that Mick did.
Read a story yesterday or today about how he takes all the new draftees away for a week to get to know them better. Think doing similar things will be of great benefit.

With you there Knightmare. What I'm hoping to see is that Buckley has learned those sort of things from Mick. I think he will be a great tactical mind that takes the whole game forward. I think that he's actually a better tactician than Mick. Witness the implementation of the press last year. Coincidence that Buckley was the forward coach? I think not. If Bucks could learn anything from Mick, it will be exactly what you're talking about.

Going on the way Bucks prepared himself for playing, and the grounding he's had for coaching, I think he'll set a new standard for that as well.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Yep I think the crucial thing for Bucks is how to interact with players. Know when to push what kind of buttons for each player.

Hopefully Mick instilled some knowledge into Bucks about this.

 

[coopernewf]

I'd say he would have learned a lot in this 2 year apprenticeship, as well as working out what he'd like to do differently too. I'm very glad he didn't just walk straight into the position back in 2009 and do a Tony Shaw.

 

[Hva sher a]

not smart enough myself to think of strategies (otherwise Bucks would've called me by now)

IMO our list is still great but I'll want to see improvement from our depth players like Rounds, S Buckley etc. My main worry is that stalwarts like BJ, Taz and Leon will be older and slower.

 

[Raymond Rougeau]

2012 new year hunger and focus

All

I plead with you to leave yesterday in the past... history will dictate the best team won we must all accept this and move on (just like 2010 will always be ours)

All were gonna here and see on this forum for the next few months are trolls and thinly veiled threads which are trolls in disguise don't bite... Just remember the truth most ppl enjoy our defeat more than there victory (go figure...)

We will be back they can beat us bruise us but never kill us

We are Collingwood

Love your club stick fat...

 

[Zahki]

Re: 2012 new year hunger and focus

2011 was the best year in Collingwoods history, and close to being the best season by any club, if they couldn't get it done this year I don't hold much hope for next year unfortunately.

 

[borgsta2006]

most definitely. We need to be more direct and less about the boundary. We have great marking forwards in Cloke and Dawes get it in quick and get Krak and Blair around the boys to stop the flooding back. It is what has been making us struggle defensively.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Re: 2012 new year hunger and focus

The Doom and Gloom posters will always predict our demise, unfortunately its just the way they view all things in life.

On the other hand those of us that look at things with an open mind know that:
Our side is on average 23 years old
Buckley will slightly alter the game plan to reflect more modern changes
We have such depth of talent
Our key players still have 8 years of football left
Geelong is a very powerful side who will now go down in history as a super outfit
We have a 5 year PREMIERSHIP window open to us, I suspect we will 2 or 3 of them
We will bring in new and the best coaching talent to assist Bucks
Hine will continue to draft future stars like Fasolo and pick up great ready mades.
We have the best development academy in the AFL
We have the best Sports Science group in the AFL
We have a stable club

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

I don't think much needs to change. The only extremely poor point in our last few games has been forward entries and how easily the ball gets out of the forward line.

Our forward line has virtually no presence compared to last year, sure the press is not as used but it's pretty easy to escape our forward line these days.

Once they polish up the forward entries and tighten the forward line I think is all that is needed next year in terms of game plan...and using the corridor every now and then will mix it up a little bit, but changing the gameplan drastically will not work.

 

[Vendrell]

Let's be honest, none of us have any idea about strategy or gameplan for next year. I've got faith in Bucks and the support staff around him that they'll work it out.

Bucks is in a very similar position to Chris Scott when he took over Geelong. Scott inherited a great team and didn't need a complete overhaul. He identified their weaknesses, where they were falling behind Collingwood and St Kilda and then he tweaked a few things. He also made tough calls on experienced players and blooded some youngsters.

One thing I'd like to see different with Collingwood next season is that they become more ruthless like Geelong. After the 2008 grand final the Geelong players made a pact to never get beaten by the Hawks again and they haven't. Collingwood humiliated Geelong in the 2010 prelim. Everyone thought it was the end of an era yet Geelong beat us 3 times this year. It's clear that prelim loss hurt the Cats players and they've used it as fuel this season, particularly against us.

 

[rhys_22]

Re: 2012 new year hunger and focus

2011 was the best year in Collingwoods history, and close to being the best season by any club, if they couldn't get it done this year I don't hold much hope for next year unfortunately.

It was the best year in collingwoods history..with alot of injurues,alot of shit going on behind the scenes and we still made the grannie.If you think we are going nowhere you are crazy.Our players aren't going to gws or gold coast because they know the success to come and are excited. they want to be 2-3 time premiership players..and they will be

 

[hellfire]

Re: 2012 new year hunger and focus

2011 was the best year in Collingwoods history, and close to being the best season by any club, if they couldn't get it done this year I don't hold much hope for next year unfortunately.

We just peaked at the wrong time mate. I think we all knew it deep down, but we all held out hope that we would put on one last display of our best footy. We did it for a half, but didn't capitalise on the scoreboard. It was an incredible year, but the NAB Cup campaign, a horrible run with injuries, tired and underdone bodies going into the finals, it all caught up with us. Geelong deserved the victory, they won as many games in 2011 as we did. It's just a shame we had to run into such a great side in what was such a good year for the club.

We'll be back. We're young. We'll have a new gameplan. And we'll have that burning hunger again.

 

[sloth6]

strategy had stuff all to do with today's result.

Geelong's strategy obviously did.

In conjestion or when a pack forms - get the ball into the coridoor where they had numbers, whereas ours are always boundary side. One on one contests in the forward 50m, Bartel sneaking forward after most around the ground bounces or throw ins knowing full well his opponent (Wellingham) wont go near him as we push all our midfielders numbers up the ground.

What annoyed most is the uncontested marks that they took in our forward 50 - happened time after time all season.

How many easy goals did they get - at least five kicked from no further than 20m out. We had to work hard for every one of ours.

Didak playing a defensive role on Scarlett, please Mick give me a spell. Scarlett would've been rubbing his hands together. We needed to get Dids involved, give him the footy by hand let him deliver the footy and make the right option.

Isolating Hawkins on Reid - did we isolate Cloke at any stage?

Mick was outcoached in the prelim and granny.

Geelong were the much better team, had the better strategy and thoroughly deserved its victory.

Does our strategy need to change - It needs to be tinkered with and improved if we are to challenge for the flag again.

 

[carnthepies19]

I think it would be interesting to see how Bucks goes about things. Hopefully his leadership on the field in his playing days will help him in becoming a great multiple premiership coach at the Pies.

If we can get our midfielders becoming those Luke Ball duplicates, the hard nut guys who go in for the hard ball no matter what, we will become so much more of a better team.

I think one thing he will try and change will be the way the ball travels through the midfield. Obviously, we all know we go through the boundary, which sometimes results in out on the full's. This gameplan is good, however when it gets into the 50 the angle is hard and it could be blamed for our sometimes shocking goal/behind ratio.

If we can take the ball out of the Def50 along the boundary then try and hit up a target through the center circle/corridor. Then pass on to the leading forward, for a hopefully easy goal on a slight angle.

The pressure for spots will be even bigger next year, with Wood improving, Fasolo, Sinclair, Young, Keeffe, Bolton and Rounds capable of stepping up for us.

Who knows, he might even be our coach when we get Jett and Ayce Buckley as F/S in 15 or so years

GO PIES 2012!