Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry CANCELLED!

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[js47]

I’m going to ask an obvious question.

If the FM took William away in the FGM
car, why was the car kept in
Why didn’t she have it “stolen and burnt out”?

Because if she’s a master criminal, she will destroy forensic evidence - right? She’s not going to leave a car sitting around Gymea with her missing son’s DNA in the trunk…. Is she?

Williams DNA would have been all over that car. It was not Williams first time at FGM’s house. Bet he was in that car lots of drives . They were looking for blood etc. threads from specific clothing hair etc.

 

[LookAndSee]

Michelle White has only gone up and up the professional ladder since Sept 2014.

Why was it that when she was appointed NSW Office of the Children's Guardian she NEVER stayed at arms length
from the FM at her court appearances?

Young Hope won the tender process to the tune of $2.7m to run the care program for FACS. When Young Hope shut down, where did all that funding money go? Did it get transferred to other government programs to help kids in care?

Where did Hetty Johnson disappear to? Why did Bravehearts disassociate themselves if William was the victim of an abduction?

So many questions remain unanswered.

 

[js47]

How long did Young Hope last?

Wallace I know it started 5/9/2012
I have looked through all my notes on the net.
I might have to retract that till I find it. Also I don’t have contacts in the SArmy now. I thought it only lasted a couple of years.

 

[LookAndSee]

Oh my goodness. Why is he washing a car at a missing persons scene?

Yep. Dirty weekend with the boys; not bothered by the red dust which is actually quite hard to clean off.

As opposed to the fine dust of Kendall that just had to be removed to lower his stress? That’s a great point.

And 2 weeks BEFORE Sept 12th....

What about the work party 1 month after Sept 12th, smiling in photos, not a care in the world of the biggest incident in your life that occurred only weeks earlier.

 

[31550]

I think he was missing more than 10 minutes whether that be he went missing or there was something else.

Well yeah he's been missing ten years. But we are talking about the time between when FM last saw him and when she started actually looking for him. Which she maintained was 5, maybe 10 minutes. She maintains the Home in 5 text came WHILE she was looking for William. SHE told FF "here 5 minutes ago" at 10.35. So SHE is saying 10.25, maybe a little earlier.
But that's preposterous if she had already driven to the riding school (or further) and back.
So, yes it was a lot longer between when she DECIDED he was 'missing' and when she actually started 'looking for him'. I would suggest 45 to 55 minutes. Some of that time may have been used up driving him somewhere before returning to the house and declaring him missing.

 

[31550]

Michelle White has only gone up and up the professional ladder since Sept 2014.

Why was it that when she was appointed NSW Office of the Children's Guardian she NEVER stayed at arms length
from the FM at her court appearances?

Young Hope won the tender process to the tune of $2.7m to run the care program for FACS. When Young Hope shut down, where did all that funding money go? Did it get transferred to other government programs to help kids in care?

How about Insight Comms turning up the the inquest and selling ribbons. Is this best use of time and money to help find William. Where did all that money go? When you're Not For Profit you don't have to open the books.

Where did Hetty Johnson disappear to? Why did Bravehearts disassociate themselves if William was the victim of an abduction?

So many questions remain unanswered.

Lots of snouts in the trough.

 

[LRitz]

So, "everyone was happy" ???

OR

• William insisted on wearing his Spiderman suit
• William was being boisterous
• William and FD fought over a toy
• William deliberately crashed his bike
• William didn't want to write anything on his drawing
• William emptied out the pencil case
• William was throwing the dice, not rolling
• Has he got ADD?
• William got fed up with all that
• William jumped off the verandah
• William went looking for Daddy's car

Just speculation.

Well if there was ADD it did not just appear that morning.

Wanting to dress up. They bought the suit for him to wear after all. A few years ago I was escorted by Frozen Queen Elsa aged 3 in full costume tiara, gown and crown through the local supermarket. No one blinked.

William was just 3 years old = boisterous, not sharing, not very good at drawing, not very good at fine motor skills and holding a crayon, likes running around. But somehow most people cope with a 3 year old. Pretty normal in my book.

Is there evidence of the children on bikes? FM drew a diagram where she alleges they went on the drive way. No one else saw them. So bike riding and crashing may not have occurred.
FM alleges that William went to look for the car. In other versions I thought he was just playing tigers and hide and seek.

And what is it with the rolling dice game. It sounds pretty boring to me. Not something a 3 year old would have any interest.

 

[Poppy Penny]

And 2 weeks BEFORE Sept 12th....

What about the work party 1 month after Sept 12th, smiling in photos, not a care in the world of the biggest incident in your life that occurred only weeks earlier.

I remember this photo. Not a good look at all.

 

[maggiethecat]

I remember this photo. Not a good look at all.

The only photo I’ve seen that I remember involved underwear on someone’s head!

 

[Poppy Penny]

@ LookAndSee
You previously mentioned Bravehearts. Was the FF ever an Ambassador for them?
If so, does anyone know When was he appointed and for how long?

 

[Poppy Penny]

The only photo I’ve seen that I remember involved underwear on someone’s head!

Yep seen that one too - creepy!

 

[Kurve]

Young Hope won the tender process to the tune of $2.7m to run the care program for FACS. When Young Hope shut down, where did all that funding money go? Did it get transferred to other government programs to help kids in care?

How about Insight Comms turning up the the inquest and selling ribbons. Is this best use of time and money to help find William. Where did all that money go? When you're Not For Profit you don't have to open the books.

Where did Hetty Johnson disappear to? Why did Bravehearts disassociate themselves if William was the victim of an abduction?

So many questions remain unanswered.

Re the italicised text, is this a quote?

The ribbons were being given away it's said.

 

[LookAndSee]

The only photo I’ve seen that I remember involved underwear on someone’s head!

Well YES that photo exists and I'm sure he'd have regrets in 2024 about that image!! He's worn many hats, still trying to find more until one fits apparently

 

[31550]

Well YES that photo exists and I'm sure he'd have regrets in 2024 about that image!!

At least he doesn't have to explain it to a 15YO foster daughter.

 

[LookAndSee]

Re the italicised text, is this a quote?

The ribbons were being given away it's said.

I didn't mean to put in Italics.... Draftee error... have edited my post.

 

[maggiethecat]

Well YES that photo exists and I'm sure he'd have regrets in 2024 about that image!!

Considering it’s the only photo I can remember of him , that is the image I gave on my head of him and he looks like a bit of a tool

 

[31550]

Oh I didn't mean to put in italics, happy for you to edit and if that is not accurate about the ribbons. However, they were selling merch etc on the website and fundraisers, morning teas....

Insight may not be selling anything explicitly any more but we need to question their motives for continuing with the website and attending court with the fosters.

Apart from their own financial interests, and public relations for the fosters, what is their actual purpose? We are in the middle of a coronial inquest, and it's been ten years. What service are they providing to anyone but themselves and the fosters?

Time to shut them down. Aren't they potentially risking prosecution for acquiring financial benefit from criminal activity? Fraud?

 

[Wallace52]

I remember this photo. Not a good look at all.

Likewise. It won’t age well.

 

[Awakening]

Right. Sorry.

I'm late to the party and was unaware this was a sensitive topic.

I'll let it be.

Trust me, save yourself!

 

[Awakening]

Despite what Rupp might say now, 99% of the public focus in the first few days was on the"little boy lost" scenario. There was nothing released in the media to suggest he might have been abducted by a stranger. Only the comment 'complicated family situation' which suggested to some of us a domestic dispute ( i.e. a known abductor). Nobody was looking for strangely parked cars or dodgy drivers. The 'strange cars' allegedly seen by the FM were reported to police several days after the event, and were not made public until mid 2015. Nobody was looking for any cars.

In Dan and Gary’s podcast they play an interview with Rupp who says for the first TWO WEEKS it was little boy lost.

 

[Awakening]

As if they did.

$1000 that they didn’t check her hand injury

 

[Awakening]

It would be useful to know on what exactly Beacroft & Laidlaw made that time decision of 10.10am

* Basing it on the Crabb’s suggested time of hearing a vehicle is not enough.

* Basing it on FM saying ‘he’s only been gone for 5 or so minutes’ is not enough

* Basing it on FM’s verbal of events that morning is not enough

I also currently don’t see any evidence that proves that FM drove to Batar Creek/ Cobb & Co Rd, NOR alternatively, that she only went there.

Witness podcast states that Paul Savage repeatedly said that his wife left at 10:38 “but CCTV showed she actually left at 10:30”.

So someone had cctv in that street. Or the bush.

 

[Kurve]

Witness podcast states that Paul Savage repeatedly said that his wife left at 10:38 “but CCTV showed she actually left at 10:30”.

So someone had cctv in that street. Or the bush.

Yes, that's very specific, so specific it reads as if there was CCTV on Benaroon Drive.

Would Mrs Savage have gone past the CCTV at the tennis club?

 

[Cataholic]

Witness podcast states that Paul Savage repeatedly said that his wife left at 10:38 “but CCTV showed she actually left at 10:30”.

So someone had cctv in that street. Or the bush.

Paul obviously didn't have access to the CCTV, or forgot to reference it before giving that timeline.

On that assumption, who recounts a time like '10:38' from memory?

I'd venture just about everyone else would default to '10:30' or '10:45'.

 

[31550]

Paul obviously didn't have access to the CCTV, or forgot to reference it before giving that timeline.

On that assumption, who recounts from a time like '10:38' from memory?

I'd venture just about everyone else would default to '10:30' or '10:45'.

I think Savage made a phone call straight after his wife left for bingo, and they possibly calculated the time she left from that. Reference to the CCTV probably means the tennis club CCTV which needed to be corrected by 9 minutes (or 14 minutes according to some). Pretty sure Mrs Savage would have passed the tennis club.
She must have left before 10.40 otherwise would have seen or been seen by FM and Sharpley. Probably left just before or just after FF arrived at FGMs.