Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry Current

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[South of the Yarra]

Some absolutely horrific cases. A second Stolen Generation is happening all over again.

MsTeschmacher Purely out of interest can I please ask what makes you angry about this post?

 

[Wallace52]

I don’t know they’ll put FM on the stand. Maybe, but I think the Coroner either has a good idea of what’s happened to William or she doesn’t, based on the evidence she has.

I don’t think she will put her on the stand, because she’s such an unreliable witness - there’s not much point in her offering up much at all.

 

[passball]

If FF was an informant wouldn't it makes sense that he would know where William's body was?
But the Police don't have the body.

 

[Underarrest_]

If FF was an informant wouldn't it makes sense that he would know where William's body was?
But the Police don't have the body.

Maybe, was also thinking charges might have been laid.

 

[passball]

Could it be one of the FMs brother's that is/was the informant?
FGM might have told her son what happened on her deathbed but the FGM doesn't know where they disposed of the body, the FPS didn't tell her.
So the Police only know where, how, and why.
Is that manhole a place of interest?

 

[js47]

So the NSWCC hearing for the FF was when? Maybe 2021 October or November?

And then the lying hearing was like October/November 2023.

So what I’m just theorising is that when he went before the NSWCC, maybe he was truthful and helpful and spilled the beans.

Or maybe the cops got him earlier than that and turned him.

Look I don’t know, it’s just a theory and I am probably wrong. My wife says I usually am, wrong that is

I think you are spot on.
If the FM or et al read these posts
OMG I bet she will have psych treatment between these and wondering who is following her people calling out at the court police bugging her she must be very tuff.

 

[Wallace52]

Works for???? She's the chairperson. It's just another one of her businesses. It's not a charity or even a foundation.

Your GIF is fire

Advocacy Australia has not for profit status, doesn’t it?

They after all won’t be able to get TMF to auspice for them again after the child abuse stuff with the other foster child…. So it was definitely time to start a not for profit.

I wonder if they will be taking on Alannah Harris from the Sunny Coast as a client, next? Another wealthy mum who was just doing her best, right? <<this is sarcasm>>>

 

[LRitz]

From post 6,209: in her witness testimony at the inquest - presumably about which neighbours she visited when looking for William - neighbour Anne Maree said she alerted the Crabbs (at No. 51).

But Overington's book quotes Mrs Crabb saying she was alerted by FM and FF running distressed up her driveway: see post 337 (with a few posts following up after that).

MOO, I think being alerted about a missing child would probably be more memorable than hearing a car which sounded like a postie - so is Mrs Crabb's memory correct about who alerted her? If not, maybe her memory about hearing a car that day is questionable? Or maybe Overington's book is wrong? Or maybe Crabbs were alerted twice, first by Anne Maree, later by the foster parents?

Whoever alerted them and whenever that was, the Crabbs then reportedly drove to a neighbour's place to check the pool and then at some time after that drove somewhere else to get a spare key for the Miller house (No. 52) so police could search inside.

Does anybody know what sort of vehicle the Crabbs were driving and when?

Does FM and FF running to the neighbours Crabb fit in with FF walkthrough. FF says he is running around and calling out for William in that really loud voice for some time (did he say 60 minutes or 90 minutes). Then in the walk through FF is asked who the first other people he saw. His answer is way vague. No mention of him going with FM to check with neighbours.

And lets not even mention FGM. who says she saw Anne Maree on the street just minutes after William ran to the front of the house , when it seems that FGM was back in the house. How does that fit in.

I think some of those neighbours wish that they had not been home on that Friday morning.

 

[31550]

I don’t think she will put her on the stand, because she’s such an unreliable witness - there’s not much point in her offering up much at all.

I'm not good with directions. I don't remember. I don't know why I said that.

 

[31550]

Your GIF is fire

Advocacy Australia has not for profit status, doesn’t it?

They after all won’t be able to get TMF to auspice for them again after the child abuse stuff with the other foster child…. So it was definitely time to start a not for profit.

I wonder if they will be taking on Alannah Harris from the Sunny Coast as a client, next? Another wealthy mum who was just doing her best, right?

Not for profit just means they don't return any profit to shareholders. They can still pay their Board members, directors and staff whatever they like from the money they receive. Have a look who runs the organisation. They don't do it pro bono.

 

[Wallace52]

I'm not good with directions. I don't remember. I don't know why I said that.

That’s the issue, isn’t it….

 

[Wallace52]

If FF was an informant wouldn't it makes sense that he would know where William's body was?
But the Police don't have the body.

That’s right. That’s the problem with my theory.

 

[Wallace52]

I'm not good with directions. I don't remember. I don't know why I said that.

You would be a terrible witness, 31550 !

Why are you still driving if you don’t know your left from right!! Why can’t you remember anything important

 

[shorsky]

I hadn’t heard this but if FM’s guilty and FF knew all along, I hope he isn’t getting any million dollars.
He’d be just as twisted as her to go along with it at all and for so long.

If he knew, then he’s an accessory after the fact. …. and even if he eventually spilled the beans, some years later, I imagine it would’ve been under pressure / coercion. That doesn’t qualify for the reward imo.

However I’m not convinced he’s that good at acting. And I very much doubt FM would run the risk of telling anyone what happened.

So if he did say something to the Police, I think it would only have been from his suspicions of what may have happened.

I think FF did have a bit of meltdown that night - possibly induced by having taken an extra to help him relax, washed down with a bottle of red.
I suspect that it was FF that William formed a bond with, and I can imagine FF being absolutely devastated at his little mate being missing.
( no doubt it peeved FM that it was FF who had the relationship and the child. Some parents get extremely jealous in those situations. May also have been happing as FD got older - leading to the statement about ‘all the f….king trouble’ she caused.)

It’s possible FF got a bit Loud that night and FGM may have become frightened, so called the ambulance. … or he may have become very ‘unbalanced’.

All of this could also then induce a panic attack.

Is he working these days ?

 

[shorsky]

I don’t know they’ll put FM on the stand. Maybe, but I think the Coroner either has a good idea of what’s happened to William or she doesn’t, based on the evidence she has.
If it’s an open finding we’re none the wiser unless police lay charges on someone in the future.

Likewise I’m not convinced that she’ll take the stand. Having said that, there are still an awful lot of unanswered questions so maybe she’ll have a closed court session.

I don’t think the Coroner would have any idea what’s happened to William ( other than the fact that he’s missing & most likely probability is that he’s deceased )

After all, some of the best sleuthing minds in the World have been following this case for more than 10 years on this forum, and we’ve no clear cut solution.

 

[js47]

That’s right. That’s the problem with my theory.

Well he is not going to say I put him in the Camden haven because that is a possibility.

 

[Wallace52]

And I very much doubt FM would run the risk of telling anyone what happened.

Thats a very good point and another forum member has reached out to me and said the same thing.

I don’t know their relationship well enough to know if she would take the risk and tell him.

So if he did say something to the Police, I think it would only have been from his suspicions of what may have happened.

Unless he moved the body, or helped her. Then he would know some actual concrete information.

 

[Wallace52]

Well he is not going to say I put him in the Camden haven because that is a possibility.

That theory has been floating around for a while and it’s not a terrible theory.

 

[Wallace52]

I just don’t see how the FM could have moved William’s body herself from 9:37am - (and when did he die? Like right away at 9:38am after she took the last photo?) to 10:30am including getting a drop sheet to cover the floor of the boot of the Mazda 3 (yes I know it was a hatch but they still have a boot) to collect any DNA or forensic evidence and keep the car clean, place it in the bush at the intersection of Cobb and Co and Batar Creek Road, and return to the house, without any witnesses having seen her move the body out of the car and into the bush or the undergrowth.

Let alone getting the keys to her mums car, concealing the death and the body from her mum and from her foster daughter and being so quick as to not make her absence really salient in the minds of her mum or her foster daughter.

Then if she was able to do all of that, for no searchers to find the body at the time, or for nothing to be found at the latest search in late 2021, not a single bone or fragment of clothing or shoes or DNA belonging to William.

Is this the perfect crime? How on earth could she pull this off alone???

 

[js47]

The FF did know what happened because the FM made sure he was implicated in it. That is why he is dependent on her. He is in the trap now. He is scared and so he says nothing
Wallace could be right I think he could have been given a choice to pick a side.
Her or prison and he bailed and has told what happen. The police might know what happened to William and where he is. They could offer him
Immunity and said, ‘she gets the charge of moving the body etc’
the coroner closes the case then the police solve the case the public and everyone is satisfied the departments and agencies move on
Alas the bios cannot do anything just as they have from the start.

If the case goes cold then someone one day WILL be held responsible and I would not like to be them in gaol.

 

[js47]

I just don’t see how the FM could have moved William’s body herself from 9:37am - (and when did he die? Like right away at 9:38am after she took the last photo?) to 10:30am including getting a drop sheet to cover the floor of the boot of the Mazda 3 (yes I know it was a hatch but they still have a boot) to collect any DNA or forensic evidence and keep the car clean, place it in the bush at the intersection of Cobb and Co and Batar Creek Road, and return to the house, without any witnesses having seen her move the body out of the car and into the bush or the undergrowth.

Let alone getting the keys to her mums car, concealing the death and the body from her mum and from her foster daughter and being so quick as to not make her absence really salient in the minds of her mum or her foster daughter.

Then if she was able to do all of that, for no searchers to find the body at the time, or for nothing to be found at the latest search in late 2021, not a single bone or fragment of clothing or shoes or DNA belonging to William.

Is this the perfect crime? How on earth could she pull this off alone???

She didn’t FGM helped her with William and FD. She implicated FF that is why he is devoted to her
Does she hold his hand or does he hold hers

 

[passball]

Did the Police search the entire house, including the laundry and appliances, all roof spaces, lower garage?
Did the dogs check all of these places?
On the 12th September, the day he went missing?

 

[js47]

The family as I said was wound up like a spring and that day it came to a climax.
Just over extended in living live.

 

[js47]

Did the Police search the entire house, including the laundry and appliances, all roof spaces, lower garage?
Did the dogs check all of these places?
On the 12th September, the day he went missing?

No

 

[shorsky]

I don’t think she will put her on the stand, because she’s such an unreliable witness - there’s not much point in her offering up much at all.

Skilful questioning could make a lot of difference.