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Ten drowns in channel crossing
24 December 2005 Herald Sun
Damian Barrett

REMEMBER these words? "There's an old Broady saying, 'It's not who throws the first punch in a fight, it's who throws the last punch'."

It was Thursday, March 17, and they were delivered by Eddie McGuire on The Footy Show, the day after Channels Seven and 10 had announced an alliance to bid for the next round of AFL TV rights.

McGuire was condescendingly laughed at by all inside the Seven and Ten bunkers. But last night, after the AFL's conditional acceptance of a massive Nine offer to broadcast football from 2007-11, the only smiles were coming from McGuire and his mates at Nine.

This AFL rights boxing bout is not yet over -- Seven and Ten have until January 5 to match the $780 million five-year bid -- but Nine has, despite being TKO'd in March, belted its way back in to the contest the way it knows best: with lots and lots of dollars.

The cash difference in Nine's bid and that of its rival is at least $15 million a year, as revealed last week in the Herald Sun.

Stretched over five years, that equates to $75 million more than Channel 7 and 10 have offered to this point.

The fact Nine's parent company PBL managed to extract so much money out of its consortium with Foxtel and News Limited, publisher of the Herald Sun, was extraordinary, particularly as it was left without a financially flush free-to-air partner.

Nine was furious with Ten for ditching it and striking the arrangement with Seven.

Its executives spent weeks contemplating courses of action.

The ABC and sport TV's newest challenger, SBS, were both involved in discussions about an AFL arrangement, and while the ABC seems an unlikely partner from 2007-11, don't entirely rule out SBS.

Nine's decision to settle on Foxtel as its rights broadcast partner was crucial.

With News Limited's involvement, it meant the Packers and Murdochs were on the same team -- good luck to any opposition.

There are ways to win against them, but not many.

Seven and Ten are convinced AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou wanted Nine to win, based on a dislike of Channel 7, largely because the AFL was sued by it in the Federal Court.

It's a theory they believe they can back up, but one that just doesn't wash when the outcome announced yesterday had the full backing of the AFL Commission.

Mind you, the timing of publicly declaring acceptance of the Nine bid was certainly eyebrow-raising.

It could be interpreted as: "We've got the money we wanted, we've got the coverage in to the black spots we wanted, we will enjoy our Christmas break and we hope you all enjoy yours, particularly those of you who work for Seven and Ten."

Demetriou stressed Seven and Ten had "14 calendar days" to respond to the Nine bid.

Many, many Seven and Ten executives, their partners and children, as well as lawyers who work for the networks, are going to be very annoyed next week, as all holiday plans have gone skewiff.
 
Bloodz said:
.....Seven and Ten are convinced AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou wanted Nine to win, based on a dislike of Channel 7, largely because the AFL was sued by it in the Federal Court..........
It has just been revealed that by an amazing coincedence all of Channel 10's chief executives have genetic markers traced back as far as the captain of the Titanic.
 
Ten are the most money conscious Network in Australia, Therefore IMO they will give up on the TV rights fight. I can not see Channel Ten Executives, saying the following things to their shareholders....
-We have the same amount of games.
-We have less finals
-We have paid far more than last time
-and paid more than we budgeted for.

It just won't happen.
 

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Bugz said:
Ten are the most money conscious Network in Australia, Therefore IMO they will give up on the TV rights fight. I can not see Channel Ten Executives, saying the following things to their shareholders....
-We have the same amount of games.
-We have less finals
-We have paid far more than last time
-and paid more than we budgeted for.

It just won't happen.

It was reported on the radio this arvo that a ten executive stated at a function last night that he was confident 10 and 7 could top that deal and evidently had described nine's offer as ********weak.
 
The only reason Channel 10 left was because was trying to reset the goal posts in its own favour. Channel 9 arrogantly tried to push 10 around (taking back the finals, best games, etc).


If you cannot see channel 10 made a great move you are blind. Better to be on the side with the last rights.

7/10 have got it.

No more Eddie.
 
Ice goddess said:
It was reported on the radio this arvo that a ten executive stated at a function last night that he was confident 10 and 7 could top that deal and evidently had described nine's offer as ********weak.
If that Executive had any idea about the rights, he would not have been at the so called function, he would have been working. And the other post claiming Ten/Seven has it in the bag is ludicrous. The highest offer placed next to the names Ten/Seven in the last three months has been $720 Million over SIX years.
 
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The Zebra said:
The only reason Channel 10 left was because was trying to reset the goal posts in its own favour. Channel 9 arrogantly tried to push 10 around (taking back the finals, best games, etc).


If you cannot see channel 10 made a great move you are blind. Better to be on the side with the last rights.

7/10 have got it.

No more Eddie.
Back to the calculator for you
 
The Zebra said:
The only reason Channel 10 left was because was trying to reset the goal posts in its own favour. Channel 9 arrogantly tried to push 10 around (taking back the finals, best games, etc).

What a load of crap.
 
If it wasn't for Ten, the northern states would have received next to no coverage of AFL all season. Channel Nine offer crud by comparison.

I hope the 7 / 10 response to 9 bid does win and the icing on the cake would be that the winning 7 / 10 bid was under their budgeted limit
 
Kerry Stokes needs to buy the rights to broadcast AFL football as a sole organization and then on sell 5 of the 8 games per week to Network Ten and Foxtel. Seven could keep the best 3 games and alternate the finals each year between 7 and 10.

If you have read PBL and News Corp are strategic partners in this deal and have came to the conclusion that News Corp (Foxtel) will not deal with any other media corporation; well think again. The AFL is a major SCA (Sustainable Competitive Advantage) for News Corp (Foxtel) in the Western Australian and South Australian Pay Television markets and to a lesser degree in Victoria. Winning the rights and aligning with PBL will allow the Fox Footy channel 4 games per weekend, something they are after but under no circumstances will that stop them from bidding to become the Pay TV broadcaster if Channel 7 and 10 put in a larger bid.

Channel 9 offered like $700,000,000 cash and $80,000,000 in marketing, Channel 7 could easily match that with the sale of the Telstra Dome to the AFL as well as to generate a return on there investment for the sale of games to Channel 10 and Foxtel.

Just because Packer is the one who owns PBL and Murdock owns News Corp doesn’t mean the game is over.

Channel 7 should offer $500,000,000 cash, $ 85,000,000 for marketing and the sole ownership of the Telstra Dome (estimated to be $ 200,000,000 or $ 40,000,000 a year over 5 years)

Total $ 785,000,000 compared to PBL offer of $ 780,000,000

Channel 7 could on sell 2 games a weekend plus 2 years of finals to Channel 10 for $ 52, 300,000 annually (over 5 years $ 261, 500,000)

On-sell 3 games to Foxtel for $ 45,000,000 annually (over 5 years $ 225, 000, 000) with PBL they could be looking at anything from $ 310,000,000 - $ 390,000,000 over 5 years) SBS are not going to be able to much more than $ 10,000,000 a year ($ 50,000,000 over 5 years)

$ 486, 500, 000 with Channel 7 left to find $ 59, 700,000 Annually (Over 5 years
$ 295,500,000)

The grand final is only at ¾ time with PBL holding a 2-goal lead but 7 and 10 are kicking with a 3 goals breeze. $ 720,000,000 would be a good starting point and I can see 7 and 10 winning if the playing field is left even and not adjusted as the Andrew D has a tendency to do.
 
crows98 said:
Kerry Stokes needs to buy the rights to broadcast AFL football as a sole organization and then on sell 5 of the 8 games per week to Network Ten and Foxtel. Seven could keep the best 3 games and alternate the finals each year between 7 and 10.

If you have read PBL and News Corp are strategic partners in this deal and have came to the conclusion that News Corp (Foxtel) will not deal with any other media corporation; well think again. The AFL is a major SCA (Sustainable Competitive Advantage) for News Corp (Foxtel) in the Western Australian and South Australian Pay Television markets and to a lesser degree in Victoria. Winning the rights and aligning with PBL will allow the Fox Footy channel 4 games per weekend, something they are after but under no circumstances will that stop them from bidding to become the Pay TV broadcaster if Channel 7 and 10 put in a larger bid.

Channel 9 offered like $700,000,000 cash and $80,000,000 in marketing, Channel 7 could easily match that with the sale of the Telstra Dome to the AFL as well as to generate a return on there investment for the sale of games to Channel 10 and Foxtel.

Just because Packer is the one who owns PBL and Murdock owns News Corp doesn’t mean the game is over.

Channel 7 should offer $500,000,000 cash, $ 85,000,000 for marketing and the sole ownership of the Telstra Dome (estimated to be $ 200,000,000 or $ 40,000,000 a year over 5 years)

Total $ 785,000,000 compared to PBL offer of $ 780,000,000

Channel 7 could on sell 2 games a weekend plus 2 years of finals to Channel 10 for $ 52, 300,000 annually (over 5 years $ 261, 500,000)

On-sell 3 games to Foxtel for $ 45,000,000 annually (over 5 years $ 225, 000, 000) with PBL they could be looking at anything from $ 310,000,000 - $ 390,000,000 over 5 years) SBS are not going to be able to much more than $ 10,000,000 a year ($ 50,000,000 over 5 years)

$ 486, 500, 000 with Channel 7 left to find $ 59, 700,000 Annually (Over 5 years
$ 295,500,000)

The grand final is only at ¾ time with PBL holding a 2-goal lead but 7 and 10 are kicking with a 3 goals breeze. $ 720,000,000 would be a good starting point and I can see 7 and 10 winning if the playing field is left even and not adjusted as the Andrew D has a tendency to do.


So you haven't been following the news that 7 and 10 put in a joint bid?
Do you think the whole bidding process opens up again, because of the 9 offer?
You might want to do just a little bit of research I think
 

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Bloodz said:
Ten drowns in channel crossing
24 December 2005 Herald Sun
Damian Barrett

REMEMBER these words? "There's an old Broady saying, 'It's not who throws the first punch in a fight, it's who throws the last punch'."

It was Thursday, March 17, and they were delivered by Eddie McGuire on The Footy Show, the day after Channels Seven and 10 had announced an alliance to bid for the next round of AFL TV rights.

McGuire was condescendingly laughed at by all inside the Seven and Ten bunkers. But last night, after the AFL's conditional acceptance of a massive Nine offer to broadcast football from 2007-11, the only smiles were coming from McGuire and his mates at Nine.

This AFL rights boxing bout is not yet over -- Seven and Ten have until January 5 to match the $780 million five-year bid -- but Nine has, despite being TKO'd in March, belted its way back in to the contest the way it knows best: with lots and lots of dollars.

The cash difference in Nine's bid and that of its rival is at least $15 million a year, as revealed last week in the Herald Sun.

Stretched over five years, that equates to $75 million more than Channel 7 and 10 have offered to this point.

The fact Nine's parent company PBL managed to extract so much money out of its consortium with Foxtel and News Limited, publisher of the Herald Sun, was extraordinary, particularly as it was left without a financially flush free-to-air partner.

Nine was furious with Ten for ditching it and striking the arrangement with Seven.

Its executives spent weeks contemplating courses of action.

The ABC and sport TV's newest challenger, SBS, were both involved in discussions about an AFL arrangement, and while the ABC seems an unlikely partner from 2007-11, don't entirely rule out SBS.

Nine's decision to settle on Foxtel as its rights broadcast partner was crucial.

With News Limited's involvement, it meant the Packers and Murdochs were on the same team -- good luck to any opposition.

There are ways to win against them, but not many.

Seven and Ten are convinced AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou wanted Nine to win, based on a dislike of Channel 7, largely because the AFL was sued by it in the Federal Court.

It's a theory they believe they can back up, but one that just doesn't wash when the outcome announced yesterday had the full backing of the AFL Commission.

Mind you, the timing of publicly declaring acceptance of the Nine bid was certainly eyebrow-raising.

It could be interpreted as: "We've got the money we wanted, we've got the coverage in to the black spots we wanted, we will enjoy our Christmas break and we hope you all enjoy yours, particularly those of you who work for Seven and Ten."

Demetriou stressed Seven and Ten had "14 calendar days" to respond to the Nine bid.

Many, many Seven and Ten executives, their partners and children, as well as lawyers who work for the networks, are going to be very annoyed next week, as all holiday plans have gone skewiff.

Duh! Welcome to six months ago.

Next you'll be suggesting that the US should get together with Australia, UK and Japan and as the coalition of the willing to fight Iraq?
 
Excuse my possible ignorance here, but do Nine have another bid if they are trumped by Seven/Ten in fourteen days time?

I do realise that Seven/Ten have reserved the rights to the last bid, but does that prevent Nine from having more than one crack at their own last bid?

And how far above the final Nine bid do the Seven/Ten consortium have to be? $1? $1M? More?
 
If Ten had alligned itself with Nine it would find itself with no finals at all.

In an alliance with Seven, it would get the finals every two years.

Ten got a magnificient deal last time with the finals, and there was no way Nine would have put up with that again. Nine wanted Ten to be very much a junior partner in the new deal.

Ten have taken a punt with things such as having prime time Saturday nights every week in Brisbane.

For the moment, it seems taking the ratings hit, and being seen to 'invest in the future of the game' has meant little to the AFL execs.

There is still a chance Ten will get Saturday nights, but I have a feeling it will be 4 games on Fox, and 4 on Nine.
 
GhostofJimJess said:
Excuse my possible ignorance here, but do Nine have another bid if they are trumped by Seven/Ten in fourteen days time?

I do realise that Seven/Ten have reserved the rights to the last bid, but does that prevent Nine from having more than one crack at their own last bid?

And how far above the final Nine bid do the Seven/Ten consortium have to be? $1? $1M? More?

1. Nope

2. Nope - game over if 7/10 match 9

3. Must be exactly the same as 9's offer or more
 
Murray said:
1. Nope

2. Nope - game over if 7/10 match 9

3. Must be exactly the same as 9's offer or more
No way Vlad will give it to 7/10 if they only match it... he wants blood, he wants the millions of dollars in court costs back
 
Bloodz said:
No way Vlad will give it to 7/10 if they only match it... he wants blood, he wants the millions of dollars in court costs back
Its called a contract.
7/10 only have to match it.
They paid $20mill to be able to do that
 
weevil said:
Nothing crap about it, that is exactly what happened. 9 thought they could bend 10 over.

Unless Ten and Seven are able to match Nine, it would look like Nine did bend Ten over.
 
weevil said:
Nothing crap about it, that is exactly what happened. 9 thought they could bend 10 over.
Crap
10 had ALL the finals and the Grand Final every year for 5 years
9 were putting up most of the money
9 wanted its share of finals and to rotate the GF.

Who was bending who over.

Here's a little thing you might want to try - research
 
Bloodz said:
Seven and Ten are convinced AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou wanted Nine to win, based on a dislike of Channel 7, largely because the AFL was sued by it in the Federal Court.

Go figure, they don't want to do business with us because we're suing their pants off, how many analysts did it take to come to theat conclusion.




Bloodz said:
Mind you, the timing of publicly declaring acceptance of the Nine bid was certainly eyebrow-raising.

Eye brow raising = vindictive. No other reason.
 
The ten Network are gone......
The seven netowrk are gone.....

gone gone gone.

just gone.

No way they can offer that amount of money. They wouldn't make a profit from that money.
If they did make a profit by matching nine's offer.....they would be silly to do not to match the same amount.
 
Murray said:
Crap
10 had ALL the finals and the Grand Final every year for 5 years
9 were putting up most of the money
9 wanted its share of finals and to rotate the GF.

Who was bending who over.

Here's a little thing you might want to try - research

And I guess, seeing as they were after fairness, 9 was also willing to rotate the Friday night coverage under the above deal??

The arrogance of 9 cost them their partnership with 10 and will cost them the TV rights.

Sucked in I say.
 

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