Collingwood 2015

[master bate]

Possible Collingwood 22:

B: Alan Toovey - Nathan Brown - Lachlan Keeffe
HB: Tom Langdon - Ben Reid - Marley Williams
C: Dane Swan - Scott Pendlebury - Steele Sidebottom
HF: Alex Fasolo - Jesse White - Travis Varcoe
FF: Jamie Elliott - Travis Cloke - Darcy Moore
R: Brodie Grundy - Levi Greenwood - Taylor Adams
I: Jarrod Witts - Paul Seedsman - Jack Crisp - Josh Thomas

Definitely too tall. So you either pick the crap ruck and ordinary forward (White) or the more ordinary forward and go with 2 rucks (which is what I'd do). Or leave out Moore. Or both. From what I've seen Moore will struggle next year at senior level, I think he'll take a while then burst on in year 3. But you never know.

I kind of like the backline, but at the same time 3 talls might be too much as well. Plus surely Frost has gone past Keeffe? Keeffe was found out big time. It's obvious who Buckley prefers.

The midfield's the real problem though. Swan should be named as a forward because surely that's where he plays. Adams should be coming off the bench and you need half forwards who can actually do something when thrown in to the midfield mix. Not sure that's Fasolo or Varcoe.

Oh and if he's remotely fit Broomhead has to be best 22. He's just go so much polish. You find room with a player with those traits even if he's not physically developed.

I like Frost, Broomhead, Kennedy and hope Freeman can show something from your depth list. I don't hate Clinton Young as much as I would if I was a Collingwood fan! I think you're right to leave out Goldsack, Blair and Dwyer, if you are playing well enough without those 3 it will be a really promising sign. And of course Macaffer and Scharenberg are injured. You can keep the rest.

 

[Upgrayedd]

The next two year the pies will struggle then make into the top 4 by 2017

Nope. Nope. Nope

yeah they pies will struggle, but they just brought in a bunch of younger players, its a fallacy to claim top 4 in because they are in a transition period

Realisticly it could be seen as a positive year if a lot of the younger blokes grow int the roles and they still miss finals, Midfield depth has been slashed from previous years and is where they will struggle the most, especially with a few younger blokes in it. Which is 100% why They targeted Greenwood when he became available and went after Varcoe

I'll be interested if they push jamie Elliot to the middle for stints during next season,

 

[Power Raid]

Trading senior guys for draft picks or youth will help rejuvenate the pies.

They will be a top 4 side again by 2017

 

[MightyPies1]

Pies have one of the best young lists in the league. We will have four top ten picks to start 205 who haven't even played a game. Plenty to look forward to, Pies have invested heavily in youth over the past few years so don't be fooled into thinking it's a long rebuild, it's been greatly fast-tracked. Buckley should get credits for this in the Media, and if we do slide next year under the circumstances, I'd love the club to stick with Buckley. I think we are building a list that will be very special in a few years time.

 

[QAFL_Fan]

I can't understand Collingwood supporters underrating Goldsack.

I would have thought that now Maxwell is gone, he is the absolute ideal replacement to play that role.

Even if he doesn't, he is so versatile you just have to play him don't you?

If he was good enough for a game in the 2010 side, he is good enough for the current one!

 

[Man of Steele]

no nathan is a crap coach living offf Micks game plan

Glad your off! And Hird has done a masterful job with the Bombers. Single handily dismantling a once proud club

 

[Billyc]

I like Buckley and dislike Malthouse but Buckley has really botched the list he inherited from Malthouse. Swapping a premiership coach who did not want to leave for a rookie coach was startling at the time and a generation costing howler in hindsight. Not complaining though - Collingwood could have been a genuine rival these last couple years.

I think they will miss the 8 again in 2015.

 

[Man of Steele]

Definitely too tall. So you either pick the crap ruck and ordinary forward (White) or the more ordinary forward and go with 2 rucks (which is
what I'd do). Or leave out Moore. Or both.
From what I've seen Moore will struggle next year at senior level, I think he'll take
a while then burst on in year 3. But you never know.

I kind of like the backline, but at the sametime 3 talls might be too much as well. Plus surely Frost has gone past Keeffe? Keeffe was found out big time.
It's obvious who Buckley prefers.

The midfield's the real problem though.
Swan should be named as a forward because surely that's where he plays. Adams should be coming off the bench and you need half forwards who can actually do something when thrown in to
the midfield mix. Not sure that's Fasolo or
Varcoe.

Oh and if he's remotely fit Broomhead has to be best 22. He's just go so much polish. You find room with a player with those traits even if he's not physically
developed.

I like Frost, Broomhead, Kennedy and
hope Freeman can show something from your depth list. I don't hate Clinton Young
as much as I would if I was a Collingwood fan! I think you're right to leave out Goldsack, Blair and Dwyer, if you are playing well enough without those 3 it will be a really promising sign. And of course Macaffer and Scharenberg are injured. You can keep the rest.[/
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Not sure why a D's supporter is picking our possible best 22. But Goldsack is a shoe in, in our best 22.
Moore 12 months away. Pick 5 whomever that is will play round 1

 

[Bobby_]

Pies have one of the best young lists in the league.

no you don't. You found this out when players had to fill in for the injured blokes.

 

[Man of Steele]

The real question is what round does Buckley get sacked?

Pies will finish above Lions

 

[Man of Steele]

no you don't. You found this out when players had to fill in for the injured blokes.

Ah yes we do! Cats will be on the slide, no youth coming through.

 

[Bobby_]

Ah yes we do! Cats will be on the slide, no youth coming through.

and yet our youth managed to post better numbers right across the board that Collingwood's youth. In fact, if it wasn't for the media's consistent circle-jerking over players like Grundy (relegated to the 2nd's by the end of the year), Seedsman, Fasolo, Thomas all less than 17 disposals per game and various other average footballers, you'd almost forget this team has finished 6th & 11th over the past two years.
One could nearly make the assumption that such teams as Gold Coast, Brisbane and the Doggies have now matched them and soon to pass em by.

Yeh' one of the best young lists in the competition alright

 

[Man of Steele]

and yet our youth managed to post better numbers right across the board that Collingwood's youth. In fact, if it wasn't for the media's consistent circle-jerking over players like Grundy (relegated to the 2nd's by the end of the year), Seedsman, Fasolo, Thomas all less than 17 disposals per game and various other average footballers, you'd almost forget this team has finished 6th & 11th over the past two years.
One could nearly make the assumption that such teams as Gold Coast, Brisbane
and the Doggies have now matched them and soon to pass em by.

Yeh' one of the best young lists in the
competition alright

Here's our list of gun youngsters
Adams Grundy Witts Broomhead Kennedy
Scharenberg Freeman Williams Fasolo Elliott Langdon Frost Keefe Seedsman add Moore and Pick 5 this draft and huge wraps on Mason Cox US rookie.
Think we are in pretty good shape with a mix of mids/KPP/Rucks.

So what about the Cats?

 

[Seedsfan]

Here's our list of gun youngsters
Adams Grundy Witts Broomhead Kennedy
Scharenberg Freeman Williams Fasolo Elliott Langdon Frost Keefe Seedsman add Moore and Pick 5 this draft and huge wraps on Mason Cox US rookie.
Think we are in pretty good shape with a mix of mids/KPP/Rucks.

So what about the Cats?

Surely we are not pinning our hopes on Mason Cox, just because he can run fast he has never played lets not get carried away

 

[Bobby_]

So what about the Cats?

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/040920140405.html
already got you this year they did, Duncan, Horlin-Smith were amongst our top 5 disposal gatherers while Guthrie too was good. No Motlop, Vardy, Kersten that night either so we should be in good shape next year when we play you.

 

[Seedsfan]

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/040920140405.html
already got you this year they did, Duncan, Horlin-Smith were amongst our top 5 disposal gatherers while Guthrie too was good. No Motlop, Vardy, Kersten that night either so we should be in good shape next year when we play you.

I am sorry but Kersten is shit saw him in the VFL and he was terrible but that is why you went for Clark and Stanley

 

[CasuallyDressed]

I can't understand Collingwood supporters underrating Goldsack.

I would have thought that now Maxwell is gone, he is the absolute ideal replacement to play that role.

Even if he doesn't, he is so versatile you just have to play him don't you?

If he was good enough for a game in the 2010 side, he is good enough for the current one!

It's because people think Goldsack is a forward.

Delusional, I know.

 

[B0SK]

Possible Collingwood 22:

B: Alan Toovey - Nathan Brown - Lachlan Keeffe
HB: Tom Langdon - Ben Reid - Marley Williams
C: Dane Swan - Scott Pendlebury - Steele Sidebottom
HF: Alex Fasolo - Jesse White - Travis Varcoe
FF: Jamie Elliott - Travis Cloke - Darcy Moore
R: Brodie Grundy - Levi Greenwood - Taylor Adams
I: Jarrod Witts - Paul Seedsman - Jack Crisp - Josh Thomas

No offense mate, but there's more holes in that side than a block of swiss cheese.

 

[B0SK]

Quality post and fully agree.

Thoughts on this spine -

Brown
Keeffe
Pendlebury
Cloke
Reid

?

Bit like an oasis in a desert given how little talent is left over to surround it.

Collingwood were very average this year even before they copped all those injuries.
Their midfield has always been their strength and with Swan basically finished, Ball gone and Beams gone I can't see them doing any damage. Their backline is incredibly shaky even with Reid (when was the last time they kept Hawthorn under 100 points?) and they have a one man forwardline led by bloke who's seen more shanks than a butcher. That's without even mentioning the question marks hanging over Buckley, of which there are many.

 

[Damon_3388]

No offense mate, but there's more holes in that side than a block of swiss cheese.

With the squad we have to work with, what do you propose?

Collingwood were very average this year even before they copped all those injuries.

Side was 8-3 at the half way point, and then went 3-8 in the second half of the year, once a rash of injuries hit the squad.

 

[tropicaltiger]

Here's our list of gun youngsters
Adams Grundy Witts Broomhead Kennedy
Scharenberg Freeman Williams Fasolo Elliott Langdon Frost Keefe Seedsman add Moore and Pick 5 this draft and huge wraps on Mason Cox US rookie.
Think we are in pretty good shape with a mix of mids/KPP/Rucks.

 

[iGNITER]

Bit like an oasis in a desert given how little talent is left over to surround it.

Geez a bit harsh there... Would have thought there was a little bit of talent outside of the spine...

There will be some serious talent coming through in the next 3 years.

Grundy, Kennedy, Broomhead, Scharenberg, Freeman, Moore & Pick 5 all first round draft picks from the last 3 years.
Throw in Elliott who up until mid year was in contention for a spot as the AA forward pocket he was in that good of form. Very exciting player.
Langdon who played from round 1 and didnt look out of place in defence, will get better and will be solid as a rock.
Witts who was building towards the end of the year, is about 209cm and 113kg. Only 22 years old and our number 1 ruckman who will learn new tricks.

Another player who I am excited about is Taylor Adams, he is one I guess there are mixed opinions on but from what I have seen at GWS and COLL he will be a player.

Overall I am looking forward to seeing the younger blokes ply their trade and build over the next few years.

 

[mike123]

Definitely too tall. So you either pick the crap ruck and ordinary forward (White) or the more ordinary forward and go with 2 rucks (which is what I'd do). Or leave out Moore. Or both. From what I've seen Moore will struggle next year at senior level, I think he'll take a while then burst on in year 3. But you never know.

Moore wouldn't be best 22. We'd play Cloke and Reid forward and one of White or Grundy with Witts being the number one ruck. I'd pick Grundy over White.

I kind of like the backline, but at the same time 3 talls might be too much as well. Plus surely Frost has gone past Keeffe? Keeffe was found out big time. It's obvious who Buckley prefers.

We can't play both Brown and Frost in the same backline. They are both pure shut down players and offer no rebound. On top of that they are both ordinary kicks and decision makers (especially Frost). Frost is more athletic than Brown but Brown is bigger. So I'd pick Brown. Keeffe plays CHB to allow Reid to play forward. Keeffe rebounding ability will allow Reid to play forward. The three tall defenders I'd have is Brown, Keeffe and Goldsack. Goldsack/Toovey. Goldsack and Toovey are players that can play tall and small no problem so they'd be the third talls.

The midfield's the real problem though. Swan should be named as a forward because surely that's where he plays. Adams should be coming off the bench and you need half forwards who can actually do something when thrown in to the midfield mix. Not sure that's Fasolo or Varcoe.

I'd have Swan as a forward, not sure why his named on a wing he's a centre mid. Adams is a direct replacement for Luke Ball and at the end of last year showed really good form and went ahead of Ball. He's starting 18.

Also Varcoe will spend allot of time on the wing.

Oh and if he's remotely fit Broomhead has to be best 22. He's just go so much polish. You find room with a player with those traits even if he's not physically developed.

Spot on

I like Frost, Broomhead, Kennedy and hope Freeman can show something from your depth list. I don't hate Clinton Young as much as I would if I was a Collingwood fan! I think you're right to leave out Goldsack, Blair and Dwyer, if you are playing well enough without those 3 it will be a really promising sign. And of course Macaffer and Scharenberg are injured. You can keep the rest.

Frost is a bit one dimensional. I think he'll play allot of VFL and add more strings to his bow. Clinton Young I'd have best 22 after losing Lumumba. Blair is best 22 as long as Buckley is still coaching. If Reid play forward I think Blair will go better.

I'd go with:

B: Tyson Goldsack ~ Nathan Brown ~ Marley Williams
HB: Tom Langdon ~ Lachlan Keeffe ~ Paul Seedsman

C: Steele Sidebottom ~ Taylor Adams ~ Clinton Young

HF: Travis Varcoe ~ Travis Cloke ~ Dane Swan
F: Brodie Grundy ~ Ben Reid ~ Jamie Elliott

R: Jarrod Witts ~ Levi Greenwood ~ Scott Pendlebury

INT: Jarryd Blair ~ Timothy Broomhead ~ Tony Armstrong
Sub: Nathan Freeman

 

[Adam H]

What are Pies supporters expecting of Moore next season. 17 goals in 17 TAC games is hardly dominating stats.

 

[Seedsfan]

What are Pies supporters expecting of Moore next season. 17 goals in 17 TAC games is hardly dominating stats.

Please stop you troll you are just trying to get in an argument and bag out Pies players