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[The Super Grass]

Now that I have your attention.

The Next Rejection Generation?


Bare with me here, for it may take awhile. Grab a laramie, cone, scotch, cat/dog or whatever takes ya fancy, pull up a pew and have a read.

Been thinking about the current music status. Or more accuratley the lack of classic songs released in the last 5 or so years.

You know what I mean, every decade, every year produce their classic songs that never die and are re-born through memorie, feeling and emotions. These can often be felt down the generations.

i.e. With a Little Help From My Friends - The Joe Cocker version, brings to mind and thought the late 60's era of peace love and war demonstrations. It's a song that has lived through 4 decades and numerous fashion cliches, resurrections, fads and still stands the test of time.

This got me thinking to the last 5 years, and what songs will be credible, even relevant, in another 20-30-40 years time. I couldn't come up with one.

The period right before the current one you could say has a thousand 'anthems for the generation'. Smells like Teen spirit, Everybody Hurts, Under The Bridge, Disarm, Killing In The Name of.. etc etc.. all the way up to the mid-late 90's.


Since then we've had many quality albums that will last time, but we have no quality anthem like songs for this time. This time ='s 1999-2005.

Its an empty time, and empty generation force fed on designer chords and designer artists.


This bought me to the realisation we are set soon for a rejection generation. Similar to the mid-late 70's Punk explosion in the UK, or the LA Punk scene in the US. And can be forcibly comparable to the late 80's/early 90's breakthrough of Rock again (alternative), which had been breading since the late 70's punk explosion through inspiration and influences.

So I've come to the conclusion we are due for a rejection generation very soon.. next 5-10 years Im talking, where their underground godlike bands will rise to the commercial success unseen by the artificial queens and princes of the current musical landscape.

This generation is sure to snub their filthy lil noses at our incessant need for Mobile phones and technology etc etc. They will bve technology intelligent, but use it for its raw power, not marketing/capitalist power.

So yeah, thats my rant. I look foward to meeting this generation. Please dont be too long getting here.

 

[The Super Grass]

Well got a few looks, but no-one stayed to play.

You didn't really think there were Busty Lesbians here now DiD you?

 

[tredders16]

Well got a few looks, but no-one stayed to play.

You didn't really think there were Busty Lesbians here now DiD you?

Nearly as good as the band called "Free Beer"

I love "Busty Lesbians"

 

[Carlos]

You're pretty keen on your post aren't ya mate?

I saw it the first time by the way. And while i wont comment on the merrits of your assertion at this particular moment, after seeing the way you've responded to other poster's opinion, tastes etc etc in other threads, i'm not overly inclined to talk music with ya to be honest dude.

Whether i or anyone else shares your opinion or not is not my issue here by the way. FWIW, i am still stuck firmly in an era somewhere between 1980 and 1996. My issue is about respect. If someone gets on here and wants to express their fav songs, tell us about who they're going to check out on tour or whatever, i dont see how its mine or anyone else's place to rag them out just because whatever they're into doesnt particularly push my buttons.

I like a good natured dig here and there as much as anyone and enjoy having some dudes hook into me for liking certain stuff, as long as its all in fun. But having a fair dinkum crack at anyone over music just isn't on IMO. Save that sh*t for the AFL main board (a big reason i rarely post there these days).

I've said it before, but IMO this is the best board on the site. The vibe is always friendly and the discussion always interesting. And even though i dont personally moderate it, i still have its best interest at heart.

And as I've also many times, it takes all sorts to make this world go round. It'd be pretty f*cking boring if we all marched to the same beat wouldnt it?

Anyway thats just my 2 cents. Viva your revolution. May the underground rise up and wipe out the decade of mainstream mediocrity that is has been so far...

 

[gPhonque]

This bought me to the realisation we are set soon for a rejection generation. Similar to the mid-late 70's Punk explosion in the UK, or the LA Punk scene in the US. And can be forcibly comparable to the late 80's/early 90's breakthrough of Rock again (alternative), which had been breading since the late 70's punk explosion through inspiration and influences.

Quick! Sign every band that has a smack addict lead singer!

We'll call it Nu-Grunge!

 

[Mad Dog]

send me 3 and I'll read your post !!!!.....

 

[The Super Grass]

gP, that was done in the latter part of the 90's and still can be seen today. But if that's your thing then yer, good luck to you.. I hear Placebo will be out soon'ish.

Carlos, seems you agree with me in principle, yet disagree with my comment towards someones personal taste on one thread (you Idoit/Cher). That's fair enough, but I stand by my perception that that person has atrocious taste in music.

 

[Mog]

Um, I haven't bothered to read this thread, but where are the lesbians?

 

[The Super Grass]

The Lesbians are encased in Krytonite and will be freed once some credibility has been restored to popular music!

(Popular Music doesn't 'have to' be a dirty word ya know... )

 

[Mog]

The Lesbians are encased in Krytonite and will be freed once some credibility has been restored to popular music!

(Popular Music doesn't 'have to' be a dirty word ya know... )

Right, so we'll never actually see them again?

 

[gPhonque]

But having a fair dinkum crack at anyone over music just isn't on IMO.

Mike Bordin's mum should have taken it up the orse that night.

Or given her son a metronome at a very young age. (say, as soon as they've wiped the blood and stuff away and wrapped him in a blanket)



"Now play with this Mike!"

Anyway, I disagree with you here. I almost liked Grassy's post. It sounds like there's something else going on between you two that I don't care to know about, but his post above is kind of true.....but....

....He does completely miss the point at the same (which is what my "sign 'em up!" post was getting at, although it since appears he's missed the point of that as well) - the last "rejection generation" he speaks of (grunge) was entirely created by the major labels. Good so-called "anti-industry" bands have and will always be around. It's ironic that nobody ever hears them until the majors grab hold of them and do their thing.

Let's see:

Smells like Teen spirit - produced and mixed by ANDY WALLACE - released on Geffen - NOT MUCH MORE MAJOR LABEL THAN THAT!

Under The Bridge - produced by RICK RUBIN - mixed by BRENDAN O'BRIEN - released on a major of course - I can't remember which one exactly (yeah I know I could look it up, but I'm lazy....Warner?)

Disarm - produced by Butch Vig - mixed by ANDY WALLACE - released on a major (Geffen?)

Killing In The Name - mixed by ANDY WALLACE - released on a major. (Sony? Can't remember)


Andy Wallace - as fantastic an engineer as he is - figures prominently, doesn't he? After all, he is the MAJOR LABEL'S "go-to" guy when you've got a record you're going to put MONEY behind in order to make it BIG. (and Andy Wallace don't come cheap)

So I'm not sure you even understand your own point Grassy.

But I respect your right to have a crack. (sorry Carlos )

 

[The Super Grass]

Mog the irony here cannot go unnoticed.

Ive deceived you into opening this thread by alluring to the promise of Busty Lesbians, a sure fire way to attract any red blooded male, yet when yu get here and find there are no Busty Lesbians you're dissappointed.. Understandably so.

Yet this mirrors the Music Industry and my contention... Delicious, tasty Irony

 

[The Super Grass]

Mike Bordin's mum should have taken it up the orse that night.

Or given her son a metronome at a very young age. (say, as soon as they've wiped the blood and stuff away and wrapped him in a blanket)



"Now play with this Mike!"

Anyway, I disagree with you here. I almost liked Grassy's post. It sounds like there's something else going on between you two that I don't care to know about, but his post above is kind of true.....but....

....He does completely miss the point at the same (which is what my "sign 'em up!" post was getting at, although it since appears he's missed the point of that as well) - the last "rejection generation" he speaks of (grunge) was entirely created by the major labels. Good so-called "anti-industry" bands have and will always be around. It's ironic that nobody ever hears them until the majors grab hold of them and do their thing.

Let's see:

Smells like Teen spirit - produced and mixed by ANDY WALLACE - released on Geffen - NOT MUCH MORE MAJOR LABEL THAN THAT!

Under The Bridge - produced by RICK RUBIN - mixed by BRENDAN O'BRIEN - released on a major of course - I can't remember which one exactly (yeah I know I could look it up, but I'm lazy....Warner?)

Disarm - produced by Butch Vig - mixed by ANDY WALLACE - released on a major (Geffen?)

Killing In The Name - mixed by ANDY WALLACE - released on a major. (Sony? Can't remember)


Andy Wallace - as fantastic an engineer as he is - figures prominently, doesn't he? After all, he is the MAJOR LABEL'S "go-to" guy when you've got a record you're going to put MONEY behind in order to make it BIG. (and Andy Wallace don't come cheap)

So I'm not sure you even understand your own point Grassy.

But I respect your right to have a crack. (sorry Carlos )

Respect. And your knowledge of the intracacies of the Music Industry obviously goes deeper than mine.

I used those songs as examples, but could've equally used Mudhoney as a prime example. As good, if not better than Nirvana, but did their own thning.

I dont think their is anything wrong with commercial success, as long as it contains quality/... Even if it's a quality I dont appreciate.


Saying that I feel a bit split. I mean I admire the quality of marketing and commercialim of the Britney Spears-esque acts, but cant admire them in any way musically.

 

[Mog]

Mog the irony here cannot go unnoticed.

Ive deceived you into opening this thread by alluring to the promise of Busty Lesbians, a sure fire way to attract any red blooded male, yet when yu get here and find there are no Busty Lesbians you're dissappointed.. Understandably so.

Yet this mirrors the Music Industry and my contention... Delicious, tasty Irony

Don't get me wrong, I love pop music as much as the next person. But I think it's because I'm genetically predisposed to it rather than any inherent quality in the sounds. All style but no substance.

 

[The Super Grass]

Im off the track that I began on.

It's not just a rejection of the current musical landscape Imn talking of, but more a rejection of popular culture.

I mean the Mobile Phone world where these days you can hardly see an 18 YO without a mob in their hands thinking its the key to popularity.. There is a generation who will look down upon us for this way of thinking/living.

Its the same generation that will tire of ads like the current Domino's one advertising grilled chicken on their pizzas, yet phone a dominoes and none of them actually have a griller capable of grilling chicken.. Its all 'Pre-Grilled (yes Ive checked this).

The generation Im talking about is one thyat rejects our culture as a standard. Sure they will be hypocritical, but this generation is needed for the soul of the populous. To get its ugly ass back on some kind of realistic track. For now, as a generational collective, we are more lost, greedy, violent and selfish than ever before.

 

[Carlos]

GP (thats actually quite convenient that gPhonque has those initials hey? Private joke...)

My speal in this thread actually had nothing to do with The Super Grass's post in this thread (if that makes sense).

I dont actually disagree with the merrit of his/her contention (or your's) in this instance. With one of my bands being a * whisper it * working coverband (get f*cked. i need the money!!), i am on my knees praying for anything resembling half decent music to crack the mainstream.

And no, there is absolutely no history between he/she and myself. I just dont dig the whole "holier than thou" vibe when it comes to this board (or in terms of talking music in general). Yeah, someone might be better qualified or have years more experience or X hundred more cd's than someone else, but who the f*ck are they to tell someone else that their taste in music is sh*t and they're a peanut for having it?

That was my point dude.

** And Sassi, i am having huge problems sending PM's atm. The fact i am practically illerate when it comes to all things computers doesnt help either!! Will get back to you asap...

 

[gPhonque]

Respect. And your knowledge of the intracacies of the Music Industry obviously goes deeper than mine.

I used those songs as examples, but could've equally used Mudhoney as a prime example. As good, if not better than Nirvana, but did their own thning.

I dont think their is anything wrong with commercial success, as long as it contains quality/... Even if it's a quality I dont appreciate.


Saying that I feel a bit split. I mean I admire the quality of marketing and commercialim of the Britney Spears-esque acts, but cant admire them in any way musically.

I do agree that the general quality of commercial music is getting worse, but then, how do I sound any different to my dad? Or your dad? etc?

In my opinion, the true stars of today are the engineers. The actual sound quality of music these days is getting better and better in that it's progressing - engineers and artists are learning how to use computers properly, and some amazing things can be done now with audio - anything in fact. It's all up to the imagination (and expertise) of the artists, or in most cases, the engineers.

I think there are plenty of fantastic songs from the past few years that will stand the test of time. They may not be the style of music that you or I exactly go nuts for, but the good songs still sneak into the charts occasionally. (certainly not as much as we'd like though)

If all people listen to is MMM, JJJ etc and read commercial magazines and newspapers etc, then nothing will change. Everything is about making the money as quickly as you can - look at Australian Idol - and this will never change until people as a whole change first.

You may listen to PBS etc, and I may listen to PBS etc (when I rarely listen to the radio that is) but most people don't. All they know is what the major labels give them. It's the major labels who hook up Rolling Stone covers. It's the major labels who advertise on tv. It's the major labels who saturate EVERYTHING in the commercial media when it comes to promoting music.

My point is that there is just as much - I say MORE - great music out there than ever before.

You just have to look in the right places and find it. This may involve going to some dodgy little pub to check out a band who's name you liked when you saw it in Beat magazine or whatever. Many times, you'll love what you end up seeing.

You may already do this.

But like I said, 99% of people don't.

And until they DO, then do the labels really have any reason to change anything?

 

[Mog]

You may listen to PBS etc, and I may listen to PBS etc (when I rarely listen to the radio that is) but most people don't. All they know is what the major labels give them. It's the major labels who hook up Rolling Stone covers. It's the major labels who advertise on tv. It's the major labels who saturate EVERYTHING in the commercial media when it comes to promoting music.

There's a whole special kind of elitism propagated by the people that listen to stations like PBS and somehow think that gives them more credibility.

 

[The Super Grass]

I cant disagree with anything in the following quoted post, but will respond.

I do agree that the general quality or commercial music is getting worse, but then, how do I sound any different to my dad? Or your dad? etc?

I was thinking that exact same thing when I originally put down the starting post, and came to the conclusion after much thought and pondering on that conundrum, and came to the conclusion, that yeah I might still be saying the same thigs as my father would've..if he did.

In my opinion, the true stars of today are the engineers. The actual sound quality of music these days is getting better and better in that it's progressing - engineers and artists are learning how to use computers properly, and some amazing things can be done now with audio - anything in fact. It's all up to the imagination (and expertise) of the artists, or in most cases, the engineers.

Yep, and also explains why Engineering @ SAE is around 15-20,000 a year. But It's really always been that way. People wonder why a band 'changed its sound', without realising they simply changed the engineer.

I think there are plenty of fantastic songs from the past few years that will stand the test of time. They may not be the style of music that you or I exactly go nuts for, but the good songs still sneak into the charts occasionally. (certainly not as much as we'd like though)

If all people listen to is MMM, JJJ etc and read commercial magazines and newspapers etc, then nothing will change. Everything is about making the money as quickly as you can - look at Australian Idol - and this will never change until people as a whole change first.

I agree with all of that. Except I think the fact the big companies go for such quick bucks is a testament to their fear that they are losing control (Kazzaa, Napstar, Independat and powerful AND influential studios).

You may listen to PBS etc, and I may listen to PBS etc (when I rarely listen to the radio that is) but most people don't. All they know is what the major labels give them. It's the major labels who hook up Rolling Stone covers. It's the major labels who advertise on tv. It's the major labels who saturate EVERYTHING in the commercial media when it comes to promoting music.

My point is that there is just as much - I say MORE - great music out there than ever before.

Agree again, and have been saying the same thing for years too. Its just most people dont bother to seek quality music, preffering to have it spoonfed to them no matter how bad. Where I llive we have no access to any PBS's (Ajnd I havent scrounged around the net yet), JJJ is the closest we get to hearing a 'heart' beat on our radios.

 

[PeteLX]

Where I llive we have no access to any PBS's (Ajnd I havent scrounged around the net yet), JJJ is the closest we get to hearing a 'heart' beat on our radios.

Elitist Propogation: rrr.org.au

 

[Mog]

Elitist Propogation: rrr.org.au

Elitist bastard

 

[gPhonque]

There's a whole special kind of elitism propagated by the people that listen to stations like PBS and somehow think that gives them more credibility.

In most cases, it does. It's only logic really.

Take two people - one listens to JJJ/PBS/RRR/MMM/etc (everything in other words) and goes out to see different bands locally a lot, and the other listens to JJJ only and will only ever go to a show if it's at Festival Hall or the Tennis Centre etc....or advertised on tv....

Who's going to have more of a clue?

It's logic.

Take the beer drinker who drinks nothing but VB all the time, and the beer drinker who tries it all.

Who's going to have more of a clue about beer?

The VB guy will tell you he does.