You're the one talking down his value because of "off field issues".
So what are they? Is it the drugs issue from years ago? Because that will be prevalent everywhere including in Geelong and has been more recently
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So what are they? Is it the drugs issue from years ago? Because that will be prevalent everywhere including in Geelong and has been more recently
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Yeah... Which is why he won't be costing u 2 first rounders?
Just because he did his knee and got caught on the Clayton Olivers one time doesn't mean he's suddenly worth a pick in the 20s
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Happy to admit I'm wrong if I that happens
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Why would a 24 year old proven gun be worth a pick in the 20s after doing a knee?
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I'd give more than a pick in the 20s, just not our future 1st.
In any case we're not going to agree so it's a pointless discussion. Let's just move on
Logic doesn’t work here mate
It’s not the Bulldogs job to take into account Geelong’s risk.
If Cats want him, they have to pay up. Two late firsts is an absolute steal for Baz, even when considering his ACL (which he has fully recovered from looking at training footage the other day).
Geelong may get him for two late firsts BECAUSE of his ACL, not despite it. Otherwise Dogs would be asking for a top 5 pick.
Pick 18 feels right about now..
That’s already earmarked for Harley Reid down the track.
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You have to leave something for Cadman too
Always tough to go over there and beat Port.
Blicavs will play more back with SDK rucking more. Danger more forward in his twilight. Holmes & Mullin off half back. Mannagh is a high half forward. Atkins nearing the end. Smith will team with Bowes, Bruhn, Clark and Harley Reid in the future. Pretty simple equation.
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Tyson is a calculated genius. The man passes out in a nightclub with ample ambiguity.
Is it drugs? Is it alcohol? Is he just really tired? We don't know!!
That's how you do it Bailey. You don't send a pic of you holding a bag with a look in your eyes reminiscent of a 13 year old boy who's just discovered incognito mode exists.
Absolute amateur hour.
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I'm torn, Doggies current F/S leg-ups are very annoying but I am very tired of the Cats getting good players stupidly cheap every second year...
I will go for the Dogs making Cats pay a remotely fair price for once. First this year and next for Smith and a 2nd should be the price given the range of the picks
I will go for the Dogs making Cats pay a remotely fair price for once. First this year and next for Smith and a 2nd should be the price given the range of the picks
Doubt Dogs agree to giving the second back if their first this year is above 14.
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It's perfect then, we have Cats fans saying no to 2 1sts and Dogs fans saying I'm not giving a 2nd back with the two firsts.
I'm spot on, we can close the thread and move on.
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To be fair, the two who are always front and centre of that conversation are Dangerfield & Cameron, and they were free agents anyway.
In hindsight, yeah, we did get them cheap and you would do the deals 100 times over.
When the deals happened though, there were countless Geelong people disappointed we even had to pay that draft capital at all, and countless opposition supporters who were telling us it would come back to bite within a few years too.
Swings and roundabouts really. We could've got both of them for salary only (like Lynch for Richmond) if we didn't have our pay structure, and then missed out on Bowes + pick 7 and/or Bruhn & Henry.
There's usually a chain reaction with these things.
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If it wasn't your mob I'd be pretty confident that would be the deal. Wells and co seem to use jedi mind tricks on other list managers in these trades though so I'm prepared to be annoyed again
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Henry as well. I can see the same thing happening again here.
My "to be fair" is when you're run and coached as well as Cats are, it's hard to lose on trades because the risk seems to not be a thing. You keep getting the best out of everyone, you keep winning the trade.
Still, I think a late first and late 2nd for Smith is robbery and we'll see if Power draws a line on this one
I really dont understand why Melbourne & Essendon are not into Smith
Sure melbourne have some issue's currently but they will be worked out and the Bombers will get their sheet together soon and he is a quality player that every team would take.
Sure melbourne have some issue's currently but they will be worked out and the Bombers will get their sheet together soon and he is a quality player that every team would take.
What are they offering that Bulldogs aren't?
Richmond are rebuilding for the next however long, Melbourne is in shambles and players are wanting out left and right. Essendon have too many mids as is. Guys that would be playing mid are forced to play half forward or wing or even in some cases VFL. Its same problem that Doggies currently have where they have too many guys in those spots already.
Baz has plenty of connections to Geelong.
Cotton On (he's close with Austin family), Deakin University, Surf Coast property to get away from media and go surfing/fishing (he said in interviews at speaking gigs that he loves Surf Coast area) but still close enough to Melbourne to still have party lifestyle, midfield role ready to go, team that will be competitive.
All that and a 5 year deal to set him up for long term security.
There's a lot of reasons for Baz to consider the Cats.
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Bailey Smith is a great fit for Geelong. He wants to play inside: we'll give him as much centre square time as he wants. We lack a bit of quality in the mid-20 demographic: he'll just be entering that by Christmas. We've had a solid injection of senior talent from every post Bailey Smith draft so far, so we can afford a modest return from our 2024 draft crop.
But - I don't want to be a dick here - seriously, f**k mortgaging our future for him. Under no circumstances should our future first be on the table. Notwithstanding our surprising early bird entry to the Preliminary Final round, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if we were in the bottom third of the ladder next year. I've always earmarked it as the rebuild year, the year to give senior exposure to a number of players currently stuck in the VFL (or perennially injured) and see what they're made of: Jhye Clark, Mitch Knevitt, Toby Conway, Oisin Mullin, Ted Clohesey, George Stevens. To me, that 2025 first rounder is shaping up to be a crucial pick and if the decision came down to whether we want Bailey Smith, or our first rounder this year AND next, I'm sorry, I don't think we can afford essentially being a bystander for two consecutive drafts at this point in our development.
This year's first, a future second, maybe some steak knives, sure. But I hope we're willing to walk away if it gets to Hopper levels of silliness and I'm sure we will be.
But - I don't want to be a dick here - seriously, f**k mortgaging our future for him. Under no circumstances should our future first be on the table. Notwithstanding our surprising early bird entry to the Preliminary Final round, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if we were in the bottom third of the ladder next year. I've always earmarked it as the rebuild year, the year to give senior exposure to a number of players currently stuck in the VFL (or perennially injured) and see what they're made of: Jhye Clark, Mitch Knevitt, Toby Conway, Oisin Mullin, Ted Clohesey, George Stevens. To me, that 2025 first rounder is shaping up to be a crucial pick and if the decision came down to whether we want Bailey Smith, or our first rounder this year AND next, I'm sorry, I don't think we can afford essentially being a bystander for two consecutive drafts at this point in our development.
This year's first, a future second, maybe some steak knives, sure. But I hope we're willing to walk away if it gets to Hopper levels of silliness and I'm sure we will be.
Totally understand you not wanting to overpay, but the reality is if you win the flag, your talk of your 1st this year and and F2 equals a pick in the early 20s and a pick in the 30s. Thats not close to his value even with his ACL in consideration.
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