Army, Navy and Air Force

[tigertigertiger]

Anyone here in the military?

Too late for a mid 30's to join?

 

[Power Raid]

Ex-pusser (navy)

personally I think it is a young man's lifestyle but I wouldn't say it is ever too late for a single guy. What job and which service are you thinking?

 

[Metalcrusher]

Depending on your corp (I cannot comment on Airforce or Navy), but specifically ARMY, mid 30's, strating from scratch you will struggle mate. The first stint is 13 weeks basic trianing at Kapooka (one 3 day break at around the 7 weeek mark), the rest is 7 days 6am-6pm maybe more depending on training loads.

If you have a partner/married and/or children, I would NOT recommend this career choice. The divorce rate when i left was approaching 80% and the rest (20%) that survived (opinion only), would have had tumultuous times (fidelity/lifestyle disruptions too many to list here).

PM me if you are fair dinkum and I will be as honest and forthright as I can.

As I said I can only comment on ARMY.

 

[Power Raid]

Airforce - the sky is the limit
Army - meet people around the world and shoot them
Navy - Fk sluts around the world

your choice

 

[Metalcrusher]

Airforce - the sky is the limit
Army - meet people around the world and shoot them
Navy - Fk sluts around the world

your choice

Not quite that simplistic ... I mean we have Rules of Engagement lol

 

[Power Raid]

Not quite that simplistic ... I mean we have Rules of Engagement lol

It was the meme on the recruiters desk. I walked in wanting to join the air force but walked out having signed up for the navy.

I goes to show what priorities a teen has.

 

[Jimmybob]

I wanted to join but I couldn't because I've had spine surgery. Sucks

 

[tigertigertiger]

Ex-pusser (navy)

personally I think it is a young man's lifestyle but I wouldn't say it is ever too late for a single guy. What job and which service are you thinking?

Was looking at supply chain in the navy

I'm not married or partnered but I do have a kid

Looking at making a decision on this at the end of January

 

[Power Raid]

Was looking at supply chain in the navy

I'm not married or partnered but I do have a kid

Looking at making a decision on this at the end of January

I loved my time in the service and would recommend it to every "confident" young person. To get out of Adelaide, have the ADF pay for my education (marine science), work around the world (antartica, great barrier reef, Russia, India, Indo etc etc), bang chicks in every port and perpetually on a end of year football trip.

The down side was the time away from friends and family (200 plus days a year away (the most 300 days away)), the dysfunctional behaviour and for the bullying for the confident.

I'm sure the ADF has changed with the advent of camera, PC and anti-bullying principles. But I'm not sure I'd recommend it unless your prepared to be away for long periods of time.

In terms of supply branch, it is a good job onshore and at sea as it is clean. You'd have to be OK with paper work though.

 

[tigertigertiger]

I loved my time in the service and would recommend it to every "confident" young person. To get out of Adelaide, have the ADF pay for my education (marine science), work around the world (antartica, great barrier reef, Russia, India, Indo etc etc), bang chicks in every port and perpetually on a end of year football trip.

The down side was the time away from friends and family (200 plus days a year away (the most 300 days away)), the dysfunctional behaviour and for the bullying for the confident.

I'm sure the ADF has changed with the advent of camera, PC and anti-bullying principles. But I'm not sure I'd recommend it unless your prepared to be away for long periods of time.

In terms of supply branch, it is a good job onshore and at sea as it is clean. You'd have to be OK with paper work though.

Is that 200+ days at sea in one go?

The talk of being younger etc is putting me off a little bit, at 34 I’m starting to think I’ll be stuck with 18-20 year olds, surely not?

 

[Power Raid]

Is that 200+ days at sea in one go?

The talk of being younger etc is putting me off a little bit, at 34 I’m starting to think I’ll be stuck with 18-20 year olds, surely not?

I was on a ship that did 300 days at sea in one year, generally 20-30 days at sea at a time. The ship went stir crazy, threw the helicopter over the side along with millions of dollars of equipment.

On review the military placed a cap of 150 days at sea a year as a maximum. Warships generally dick around for 3-7 days at a time but do go on longer deployments. Science vessels generally go on 90 day deployments.

If you take control of your career, you can get onto ships that suit your lifestyle. You just need to have the confidence of saying " f that, I'm not going there..........post me to XYZ". Asking Captains to be posted to their ship always helps.

 

[tigertigertiger]

I was on a ship that did 300 days at sea in one year, generally 20-30 days at sea at a time. The ship went stir crazy, through the helicopter over the side along with millions of dollars of equipment.

On review the military placed a cap of 150 days at sea a year as a maximum. Warships generally dick around for 3-7 days at a time but do go on longer deployments. Science vessels generally go on 90 day deployments.

If you take control of your career, you can get onto ships that suit your lifestyle. You just need to have the confidence of saying " f that, I'm not going there..........post me to XYZ". Asking Captains to be posted to their ship always helps.

I would of thought it’s youre posted to a ship and you shut the **** up and go, this isn’t p&o , ha!

Back to the age thing, there would be a mix wouldn’t there for new recruits? Or would a 30 something feel old and isolated?

When doing your days at sea, do the ships always leave from Australia and return or is there flying around meeting the ship and flying back ect?

 

[Elroo]

Anyone here in the military?

Too late for a mid 30's to join?

Not at all.

I know of a recent class of specialist officers that went through the RANC at Creswell that would of had an average age of early 50's.

Joining the ADF is a very long and slow process; maybe 2+ years.

You may even go through the entire recruitement process to then be told their are no current vacancies for your indicated preferences, and that you'll have to wait till one becomes available and then you may have to re-do some of the assessments again as they are only relevant for 12-months.

Heres a flowchart of the process youíi go through, plus and indication of the required fitness standards for the PFA.





Also ignore pretty much anything Power raid says about RAN personnel throwing a helicpoter over the side and millions in military equipment, and deployments being limited to 150 days, its bullshit.

http://news.navy.gov.au/en/Oct2017/...ne-month-Middle-East-mission.htm#.WkV0VDeYNPY

Warramunga deploys for nine month Middle East mission
Published on 08 October 2017 Mr James McPherson (author), ABML-SC Craig Walton (photographer)

Addtionaly, you will find your RAN career and postings are all done through the office of Navy People Career Management Agency (NPCMA). I wouldn't advise you bypass the NPCMA and go to a vessel Captain directly to try and arrange a posting.

I'd also advise you go as an officer in the RAN; if you're in your 30's I'd suggest going through the NEOC at the RANC at Creswell.

http://www.navy.gov.au/join-navy/naval-college/new-entry-officer-course

New Entry Officers' Course

A Ceremonial Sunset
The New Entry Officers' Course (NEOC) teaches the knowledge, skills and attitudes needed to be an effective junior naval officer. The course is approximately five months long and is residential, requiring students to live at HMAS Creswell.

Creswell is at Jervis Bay, surrounded by Booderee National Park, three hours south of Sydney. The biggest challenge of the course is understanding what it means to be a naval officer. The primary responsibility of an officer is the welfare of their sailors and to uphold the Navy's core values of honour, honesty, courage, integrity and loyalty. The first four weeks of the course is the Initial Training Period (ITP). ITP is intensive and teaches the basics of military life. These include military discipline, how to wear a uniform with pride, how to move around in a military manner and to correctly interact with other officers as well as sailors. There is no leave during ITP as these activities run seven days a week.

The course's first challenge is learning to live in communally with your new division mates. Each trainee has their own single cabin, however all trainees share communal heads (toilets) and showers. Each cabin will be required to be set up in a specific fashion, with minimal personal effects unpacked during ITP, however once ITP is complete there will be the freedom to put out a limited number of personal effects.

NEOC is about naval leadership, requiring team member and team leader qualities. And development of mateship with fellow junior officers on the course is an important part of a career in the RAN.

Here's the ADF site that will provide you most information you will need;

https://www.defencejobs.gov.au/?ci=0

If you have any questions on the RAN, contact me through a PM.

 

[Elroo]

I would of thought it’s youre posted to a ship and you shut the **** up and go, this isn’t p&o , ha!

Back to the age thing, there would be a mix wouldn’t there for new recruits? Or would a 30 something feel old and isolated?

When doing your days at sea, do the ships always leave from Australia and return or is there flying around meeting the ship and flying back ect?

This.

 

[Power Raid]

I would of thought it’s youre posted to a ship and you shut the **** up and go, this isn’t p&o , ha!

Back to the age thing, there would be a mix wouldn’t there for new recruits? Or would a 30 something feel old and isolated?

When doing your days at sea, do the ships always leave from Australia and return or is there flying around meeting the ship and flying back ect?

some orders are "suck it up" but like any career you can drive it. You will be surrounded by 20% motivated people and 80% dead shits killing time. The 20% will go out of their way to help and thus communicate exactly what you want. For the 80%, make them know you will create work for them if they don't give you what you want. The fear of work will scare the shit out of them.

You will be "old" compared to your peers in the first year. Post the training period you will be posted to bases and ships with a diverse age bracket. I'm in my 40s now but would have no issues working at a base or on a ship. My only recommendation is stick to smaller ships as you will have a better culture and flatter rank structures.

Generally you sail from your home port which is most likely going to be fleet base east (sydney), fleet base west (perth), darwin or cairns. You may on the odd occasion join your ship from a different port or overseas but that is quite rare. Try and stay away from Darwin but the other three a great.

 

[tigertigertiger]

some orders are "suck it up" but like any career you can drive it. You will be surrounded by 20% motivated people and 80% dead shits killing time. The 20% will go out of their way to help and thus communicate exactly what you want. For the 80%, make them know you will create work for them if they don't give you what you want. The fear of work will scare the shit out of them.

You will be "old" compared to your peers in the first year. Post the training period you will be posted to bases and ships with a diverse age bracket. I'm in my 40s now but would have no issues working at a base or on a ship. My only recommendation is stick to smaller ships as you will have a better culture and flatter rank structures.

Generally you sail from your home port which is most likely going to be fleet base east (sydney), fleet base west (perth), darwin or cairns. You may on the odd occasion join your ship from a different port or overseas but that is quite rare. Try and stay away from Darwin but the other three a great.

It would be ideal for me to be based in Perth, currently in Melbourne but other than training at Cerberus I believe no one stays in vic? I'd be voicing Perth when the time comes.

currently 30 minute drive to Cerberus

would hate Darwin or cairns, I'd get myself kicked out on purpose

 

[tigertigertiger]

Not at all.

I know of a recent class of specialist officers that went through the RANC at Creswell that would of had an average age of early 50's.

Joining the ADF is a very long and slow process; maybe 2+ years.

You may even go through the entire recruitement process to then be told their are no current vacancies for your indicated preferences, and that you'll have to wait till one becomes available and then you may have to re-do some of the assessments again as they are only relevant for 12-months.

Heres a flowchart of the process youíi go through, plus and indication of the required fitness standards for the PFA.

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Also ignore pretty much anything Power raid says about RAN personnel throwing a helicpoter over the side and millions in military equipment, and deployments being limited to 150 days, its bullshit.

http://news.navy.gov.au/en/Oct2017/...ne-month-Middle-East-mission.htm#.WkV0VDeYNPY



Addtionaly, you will find your RAN career and postings are all done through the office of Navy People Career Management Agency (NPCMA). I wouldn't advise you bypass the NPCMA and go to a vessel Captain directly to try and arrange a posting.

I'd also advise you go as an officer in the RAN; if you're in your 30's I'd suggest going through the NEOC at the RANC at Creswell.

http://www.navy.gov.au/join-navy/naval-college/new-entry-officer-course



Here's the ADF site that will provide you most information you will need;

https://www.defencejobs.gov.au/?ci=0

If you have any questions on the RAN, contact me through a PM.

was going to send u a pm but your settings have limited who are able to do so

 

[Power Raid]

was going to send u a pm but your settings have limited who are able to do so

Elroo has offered a good suggestion. If you're qualified to go in as an officer, consider this option. Creswell is pretty much a tea and scones type course which is enjoyable.

As a general rule the officers coming through this stream are better in operational environments than those going through ADFA.

 

[Elroo]

Elroo has offered a good suggestion. If you're qualified to go in as an officer, consider this option. Creswell is pretty much a tea and scones type course which is enjoyable.

As a general rule the officers coming through this stream are better in operational environments than those going through ADFA.

Is it now Power Raid? Have you done the NEOC course or done any sort of officers course at Creswell?

 

[Power Raid]

Is it now Power Raid? Have you done the NEOC course or done any sort of officers course at Creswell?

why the aggression?

please feel free to discuss the thread in an enjoyable manner

 

[Elroo]

why the aggression?

please feel free to discuss the thread in an enjoyable manner

Its a fairly simply question even for you Power Raid, Have you done the NEOC course or done any sort of officers course at Creswell?

Addtionaly, tell me on what ship went stir crazy, through the helicopter over the side along with millions of dollars of equipment will you?

Also, whilst we are at it, tell me about this cap of 150 days at sea a year as a maximum will you?

 

[Power Raid]

Its a fairly simply question even for you Power Raid, Have you done the NEOC course or done any sort of officers course at Creswell?

Addtionaly, tell me on what ship went stir crazy, through the helicopter over the side along with millions of dollars of equipment will you?

Also, whilst we are at it, tell me about this cap of 150 days at sea a year as a maximum will you?

no I didn't go through Creswell but can confirm as part of my training as a recruiting officer post full time service, that I went to Creswell and interviewed both training staff and those going through the course. I've also served with officers who went through Creswell including good mates.

The ship that went stir crazy was HMAS Moresby which instead of pulling into Darwin had the AFP and military police flown out to investigate the event.

Post this event the cap of 150 days was put in place (other than operational activities).


Please feel free to engage in a less emotional manner.

 

[jerry springer]

Im currently in the navy, as a medic

We had a 50 year join my ship as a SMNMT this year, so 30's is nothing especially as a storbie.

 

[jerry springer]

When doing your days at sea, do the ships always leave from Australia and return or is there flying around meeting the ship and flying back ect?

actually there is a lot of ships company who meet the ship in different ports and leave halfway through deployments due to having to go on courses, postings etc

or simply on the way home we often send crew back early on "early leavers" leave so when we get back they can man the first few duty watches for the ship so other crew members can go on leave when we hit home port

 

[jerry springer]

some orders are "suck it up" but like any career you can drive it. You will be surrounded by 20% motivated people and 80% dead shits killing time. The 20% will go out of their way to help and thus communicate exactly what you want. For the 80%, make them know you will create work for them if they don't give you what you want. The fear of work will scare the shit out of them.
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yeah things have changed a bit, you will amazed how motivated the new kids are coming in and that has a good effect on some of the older longer serving ships company

there are still deadshits but its no where near 80%, probably the other way around