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I started to have another poke around the internets, looking for more information about AOD-9604, the infamous experimental drug developed by Calzada that a number of Essendon players have apparently admitted to using.

This got me thinking about why it was used - what was known before all this blew up that caused Essendon Football Clubs chief sports scientist to think it was a good idea to give to footballers.

I was finding basically nothing, then something twigged - this is a peptide with a bunch of different names. Calzada tried to get the more reputable sounding Lipotropin to stick, but it kept being called AOD-9604.

But if you want to go deep into the weeds, you dont ask about Lipotropin or AOD-9604. You're looking for references to HGH-Frag 176-191, which is what AOD-9604 was called before it was called AOD-9604. If you hang out in the wrong circles, its often shortened to Frag.


This 2008 thread was the earliest I could find.

http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums/anabolic-steroids/38292-hgh-fragment

Bbossman reports this "I used the HGH fragment from Superior last year at this time right before vacation 4 weeks on 4 weeks off 4 weeks on again and I liked it. Had good fat loss while my strength stayed high, I am sure due to the test. I ran it with cyp, and tren but had to stop the tren due to bp issues. I would give it a shot I liked it...."

This 2011 thread, from our old friends at Testosterone Nation, has an interesting comment, which I have bolded.

http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_on...ining_performance_bodybuilding_gear/peptides_

" To date, studies suggest that HGH Fragment 176-191 has several beneficial features: it reduces abdominal fat, without compromising glycemic control (blood glucose), it increases muscle mass and improves the lipid profile. HGH is Human Growth Hormone, a natural hormone produced in the pituitary gland of the brain. "

This 2011 thread, its fair to say, has most people unimpressed with frag as an alternative to HgH itself

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/peptides-growth-factors/78381-hgh-fragment-info.html

May 2012, so a little later - but interesting

http://forums.steroid.com/igf-1-lr3-hgh-insulin-questions/501159-peptides-ranking-chart.html

2010 thread - regarded as a pure fat burner

http://www.hypermuscles.com/f62/hgh-fragment-176-191-a-1313/

OK, so if we hang around the sleazy frontiers of biochemistry, we have a lot of chatter about how it's a very good fat burner, and a minority view that it increases muscle mass.

Of course, if you want someone more respectable, then you can go here to see why an actual doctor regards AOD-9604 as S2 as all get out.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...d-on-the-essendon-players-20130828-2sqxe.html
 

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DapperDon said:
Did you call ASADA and tell them to reopen the investigation?
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"Andruska please.

"Aurora! Ian here. Listen we need to get together for a sit down. I've discovered this amazing tool which may vastly improve, nay, revolutionise the way your organisation works.

"It's called Goo-gle. Yeah I know. Wait for your mind to be b-lown."
 
IanW said:
I started to have another poke around the internets, looking for more information about AOD-9604, the infamous experimental drug developed by Calzada that a number of Essendon players have apparently admitted to using.

This got me thinking about why it was used - what was known before all this blew up that caused Essendon Football Clubs chief sports scientist to think it was a good idea to give to footballers.

I was finding basically nothing, then something twigged - this is a peptide with a bunch of different names. Calzada tried to get the more reputable sounding Lipotropin to stick, but it kept being called AOD-9604.

But if you want to go deep into the weeds, you dont ask about Lipotropin or AOD-9604. You're looking for references to HGH-Frag 176-191, which is what AOD-9604 was called before it was called AOD-9604. If you hang out in the wrong circles, its often shortened to Frag.


This 2008 thread was the earliest I could find.

http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums/anabolic-steroids/38292-hgh-fragment

Bbossman reports this "I used the HGH fragment from Superior last year at this time right before vacation 4 weeks on 4 weeks off 4 weeks on again and I liked it. Had good fat loss while my strength stayed high, I am sure due to the test. I ran it with cyp, and tren but had to stop the tren due to bp issues. I would give it a shot I liked it...."

This 2011 thread, from our old friends at Testosterone Nation, has an interesting comment, which I have bolded.

http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_on...ining_performance_bodybuilding_gear/peptides_

" To date, studies suggest that HGH Fragment 176-191 has several beneficial features: it reduces abdominal fat, without compromising glycemic control (blood glucose), it increases muscle mass and improves the lipid profile. HGH is Human Growth Hormone, a natural hormone produced in the pituitary gland of the brain. "

This 2011 thread, its fair to say, has most people unimpressed with frag as an alternative to HgH itself

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/peptides-growth-factors/78381-hgh-fragment-info.html

May 2012, so a little later - but interesting

http://forums.steroid.com/igf-1-lr3-hgh-insulin-questions/501159-peptides-ranking-chart.html

2010 thread - regarded as a pure fat burner

http://www.hypermuscles.com/f62/hgh-fragment-176-191-a-1313/

OK, so if we hang around the sleazy frontiers of biochemistry, we have a lot of chatter about how it's a very good fat burner, and a minority view that it increases muscle mass.

Of course, if you want someone more respectable, then you can go here to see why an actual doctor regards AOD-9604 as S2 as all get out.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...d-on-the-essendon-players-20130828-2sqxe.html
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If you talk to experience peptide users you'll learn that Frag offers no more fat benefits than other peptides n regular hardcore peptide users don't rate it or use it.
 
ablett said:
If you talk to experience peptide users you'll learn that Frag offers no more fat benefits than other peptides n regular hardcore peptide users don't rate it or use it.
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More to the point, it appears to be very much a minority opinion among the peptide community in the time before EFC players were doped with the stuff that anything positive other than fat burning is offered by AOD-9604, and fat burning is not a S2 thing.
 
So it seems that AOD is still on the table. Dank's show cause includes HGH doesn't it?
 

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OK so Ill ask the question. Why did they use it?
 
TerryWallet said:
To get some "results" to help get it on the market.

"The AOD Project".

Guinea pigs.

Pockets lined.

Jim, Dave and Steve.
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But what results. Weight loss, extra bulk?
Apparently the other research had showed that it didnt do much
 
hawk65 said:
But what results. Weight loss, extra bulk?
Apparently the other research had showed that it didnt do much
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Dank's report to Calzada/Kenley on the 4 live experiments (EFC players) indicated that AOD had positive results.

People were looking to further AOD-9604.

The ACC glare halted any momentum.

It's a murky subject, but they weren't using it for shits n giggles.

Dank text to Hird: "The financials for the AOD Project are ready for you and David(Evans)".

Later in that year Dank sends results of AOD experiments(Ziggy) on EFC players to Calzada/Kenley.
 
TerryWallet said:
Dank's report to Calzada/Kenley on the 4 live experiments (EFC players) indicated that AOD had positive results.

People were looking to further AOD-9604.

The ACC glare halted any momentum.

It's a murky subject, but they weren't using it for shits n giggles.

Dank text to Hird: "The financials for the AOD Project are ready for you and David(Evans)".

Later in that year Dank sends results of AOD experiments(Ziggy) on EFC players to Calzada/Kenley.
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It certainly is a murky subject especially when parties involved stand to make money out of the "experiment"
 

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Bunk Moreland said:
"Andruska please.

"Aurora! Ian here. Listen we need to get together for a sit down. I've discovered this amazing tool which may vastly improve, nay, revolutionise the way your organisation works.

"It's called Goo-gle. Yeah I know. Wait for your mind to be b-lown."
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Shame none of the Essendon players knew about this mind b-lowing tool called Goo-gle.
 
IanW said:
More to the point, it appears to be very much a minority opinion among the peptide community in the time before EFC players were doped with the stuff that anything positive other than fat burning is offered by AOD-9604, and fat burning is not a S2 thing.
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All peptides have muscle building-strength-recovery benefits, what differentiates the several types of peptides is the amino acid chains are tweaked/cleaved to steer towards manipulating other effects, longer GH pulses, deeper sleep etc...
I'm tipping Dank was supplying/using another peptide like GHRP-2 &/ or Mod 1-29 under the banner of AOD to use the non S2 loophole.
Dank might be stupid but he's not silly.

Some are suggesting the AOD was used to prevent fat accumulation on the players while they were on a bulking program & diet to get bigger n stronger which requires higher calorie consumption.
Peptides aren't that powerful or effective, synthetic HGH & testosterone will promote lean muscle mass & fatloss while bulking , not peptides.

I think peptides are being used as a smokescreen for other PED's.
For peptides to be most effective their usage & dosage times is very complicated.
Peptides stimulate your brain to release more natural growth hormone, any insulin present will blunt the effects.
Pure protein can be taken at the time of dosing peptides but carbs & fat should not be consumed with-in 3 hours of using peptides & not with-in 30minutes after administering peptides.

For example:
Upon rising-
Inject peptides with pure protein(WPI-BCAA's-EEA's etc...)
30 minutes later carbs n fat can be consumed so eggs on toast or bowl of cereal with milk for example.

3 hours after last meal inject peptides, wait 30 minutes before consuming carbs &/ or fat.

This can be repeated as many times a day as possibly aslong you inject the peptides 3 hours after your last meal & don't eat for 30 minutes afterwards, pure protein or amino acids are an exception as they don't effect peptides release.
most peptide users will use them 3 times a day.
upon rising
post work-out or pre evening meal.
Pre-bed.

Peptides gives you a 3 hour pulse of higher natural HGH release so dosing peptides peptides 3 x a day gives you
9 hours of elevated HGH levels daily
Some administer peptides 6 x a day for longer elevated levels through out the day but 3-4 is most common.
Some Elderly only use them pre-bed to enhance sleep n recovery.
This is why a lot of peptide users don't experience great effects from them because the don't use them properly, peptides aren't as as easy as jabbing testosterone into your butt check n send your test levels thru the roof!

Anyway so what I'm alluding to is , can you imagine the average afl player being this dedicated to maximise the effects & benefits of peptides?
I think not.
Thymosine or TB -500 is a lot more user friendly , take it once or twice a week for a month then just every fortnight or monthly & is not effected by food.

As I said earlier , peptides are just the smokescreen because they seem the lessor of the evil to be caught with rather Insulin, synthetic HGH, Testosterone etc...
 

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