Anti Islamic attacks increasing * The Burgertory Fire - Caulfield Vic

[Kurve]

While police are treating the fire as suspicious, they are confident it was not religiously or politically motivated. “I would warn people not to make assumptions or draw lines of inquiry that aren't there between this incident and anything else that is occurring,” Victoria police Insp Scott Dwyer said.

Against the warnings, ugly clashes have broken out between groups.

Police used pepper-spray on Friday night as a fight broke out in Caulfield South near a synagogue and Burgertory's Caulfield store.​

KEY POINTS​

• Pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel protesters clashed in Melbourne's southeast on Friday night.
• The violence broke out after a suspicious fire severely damaged a nearby burger shop on Friday morning.
• Burgertory's founder believes the fire was a hate crime, but police are confident it wasn't politically motivated.

'No room for violence': Clash between pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel groups condemned

The drama unfolded in the Melbourne suburb of Caulfield near a synagogue and store, which was severely damaged by fire on Friday morning.

www.sbs.com.au

 

[Kurve]

This is leaked footage apparently, looks legit. Also a big fire, these two might have burnt their eyebrows.

 

[Kurve]

The owner who is active at pro-Palestinian protests, says he has been receiving threats for weeks.

 

[BomberManU]

So police first say 'it's not the case' that it was political, then changed slightly to 'it's not known to be political'. Interesting.

 

[Kurve]

So police first say 'it's not the case' that it was political, then changed slightly to 'it's not known to be political'. Interesting.

They could have said "there is no evidence for political or religious motivation at this time".

 

[Kurve]

Still not a hate crime with the investigation well advanced.

Victoria Police has made significant progress in the investigation of an arson attack on a Caulfield burger shop last week and insist it is still not being considered a hate crime.

Police ‘well advanced’ in Caulfield burger store firebombing probe

Victoria Police insist the firebombing of a burger store owned by a Palestinian-Australian is not being considered a hate crime.

www.theage.com.au

 

[jason_recliner]

Still not a hate crime with the investigation well advanced.

Victoria Police has made significant progress in the investigation of an arson attack on a Caulfield burger shop last week and insist it is still not being considered a hate crime.

Police ‘well advanced’ in Caulfield burger store firebombing probe

Victoria Police insist the firebombing of a burger store owned by a Palestinian-Australian is not being considered a hate crime.

www.theage.com.au

Just a coincidence, no doubt But it's quite a coincidence!

 

[BomberManU]

Just a coincidence, no doubt But it's quite a coincidence!

Just trying to keep things calm, I guess. Still, pretty obvious.

 

[Kurve]

Two arrests, it's confirmed not to be a hate crime.

Following a lengthy investigation, a 27-year-old man and a 25-year-old man were arrested on Wednesday.

The 25-year-old was taken to hospital under police guard for injuries unrelated to his arrest.

"Both men are currently assisting police with enquiries, and arson-related charges are expected to be laid," a police spokesperson said.

Two men arrested over blaze that destroyed Melbourne burger shop, police refute 'hate crime'

 

[Kurve]

No names yet.

The 27-year-old man, who is from St Albans, was charged with arson and the theft of motor vehicle. He was bailed and will appear at Melbourne Magistrates’ Court on Friday.

The 25-year-old man, of Preston, is accused of arson, robbery, the theft of motor vehicle and other offences. He was remanded and will appear at Melbourne Magistrates’ Court on Thursday.

MPs speak out after police say Burgertory fire not a hate crime, two men charged

The state and federal MPs representing the area slammed those who blamed the firebombing of the Caulfield restaurant on Jewish people.

www.theage.com.au

 

[DapperDon]

As suspected, zero stuffs given about Islamic bus being set alight.

 

[FIGJAM]

As suspected, zero stuffs given about Islamic bus being set alight.

Not from me! Full stuffs given. Keep your war the **** out of Australia!!

 

[Jazny]

As suspected, zero stuffs given about Islamic bus being set alight.

Why did you suspect that and what do you think explains the differences in response?

 

[DapperDon]

Why did you suspect that and what do you think explains the differences in response?

Media coverage for one. Anti-semitism is much higher on the media care factor than anti-Islamic.

Obviously a synagogue is a bigger story than a bus, but to have such a small coverage is still very typical of our media landscape.

 

[Jazny]

Obviously a synagogue is a bigger story than a bus, but to have such a small coverage is still very typical of our media landscape.

The bus isn't suspected of being targeted due to an Islamophobic attack at this stage, let alone being investigated as a terrorist incident. Pretty big difference. A bus with nobody in it being set on fire in Adelaide is not really big nationwide news. If it turns out it was a racially motivated attack or police suspect terrorism, it will be big news. So of course a suspected terror attack against a place of worship with people inside it is going to be much bigger story than a bus being set on fire in what police suspect was an opportunistic attack.

It's bizarre your explanation for the difference didn't even come close to the reality. Your explanation is the media, for some reason, care much more about antisemitism than Islamophobia. Why do you think the media cares more about antisemitism?

 

[DapperDon]

The bus isn't suspected of being targeted due to an Islamophobic attack at this stage, let alone being investigated as a terrorist incident. Pretty big difference. A bus with nobody in it being set on fire in Adelaide is not really big nationwide news. If it turns out it was a racially motivated attack or police suspect terrorism, it will be big news. So of course a suspected terror attack against a place of worship with people inside it is going to be much bigger story than a bus being set on fire in what police suspect was an opportunistic attack.

It's bizarre your explanation for the difference didn't even come close to the reality. Your explanation is the media, for some reason, care much more about antisemitism than Islamophobia. Why do you think the media cares more about antisemitism?

What is bizzare is your fascination of needing me to explain the difference between how the two religions are treated in this country. If you are so blind to see that Islamic communities have been at a much higher degree of persecution long before Oct 07 unfairly made the Jewish community victims then really I have absolutely zero time for you anymore. As you are then just intentionally choosing what you do and don't want to give attention to.

To think the media don't play a part in this game is just typical of your head in sand persona.

 

[Kurve]

Obviously a synagogue is a bigger story than a bus, but to have such a small coverage is still very typical of our media landscape.

Why do you think the media cares more about antisemitism?

If Don comes back with anything remotely resembling "The Zionists controls the media" I might gouge my eyeballs out.

 

[DapperDon]

If Don comes back with anything remotely resembling "The Zionists controls the media" I might gouge my eyeballs out.

I knew that's where Jazny wanted me to go, it was fairly obvious.

I now await their "media treat everyone equally" rhetoric

 

[Jazny]

I knew that's where Jazny wanted me to go, it was fairly obvious.

I now await their "media treat everyone equally" rhetoric

I don't want you to go anywhere, I just want you to back up your claim. You're the one making it, I am asking why you believe that claim. You can explain it however you like. If you have a different reason for your claim that the media treats antisemitism differently than it treats Islamophobia I would be interested to hear it.

 

[DapperDon]

I don't want you to go anywhere, I just want you to back up your claim. You're the one making it, I am asking why you believe that claim. You can explain it however you like. If you have a different reason for your claim that the media treats antisemitism differently than it treats Islamophobia I would be interested to hear it.

Perhaps you could find me where the media outrage was at these incidents

Research shows violence toward Australian mosques widespread

news.csu.edu.au

Our research finds the threat of similarly motivated acts of hatred remains widespread. During 2020, we surveyed 75 mosques from five states and two territories of Australia about their experiences of violence in the five years from 2014 to 2018, as well as detailed questions about 2019. About half of the responses were from imams or mosque officials, 15 per cent from volunteers and 35 per cent from other congregation members.

Most concerning is that over half (58.2 per cent) of participating mosques (or worshippers at them) had experienced targeted violence between 2014 and 2019. The threat of an attack increased in cases where there had been public attention. For example, mosques that were reported in the media (100 per cent) or experienced online opposition to the development of the mosque (83 per cent) experienced higher rates of victimisation.

The types of violence suffered by mosque attendees and the mosque buildings included arson, physical assault, graffiti, vandalism, verbal abuse and online abuse and hate mail, including death threats. There were notable geographical differences in these occurrences of violence. Despite being home to more mosques, attacks against Sydney mosques between 2014 and 2018 were proportionally lower (at 41 per cent of the 51 respondent mosques) than for Melbourne (70 per cent of 17 mosques) and Brisbane (89 per cent of nine mosques).

The proportion of attacks against mosques in Australian states and territories was 29 per cent in 2019, in the wake of the Christchurch massacre. Again, these were disproportionately distributed between the states, with a higher proportion of attacks directed at mosques in Brisbane and Melbourne.

Also help me find when the sitting PM felt he needed to attend one of these incidents to keep up public appearance from media outrage.

Or just keep ignoring what is very plain to see.

 

[Kurve]

Perhaps you could find me where the media outrage was at these incidents

Research shows violence toward Australian mosques widespread

news.csu.edu.au

Also help me find when the sitting PM felt he needed to attend one of these incidents to keep up public appearance from media outrage.

Or just keep ignoring what is very plain to see.

Scott Morrison visited Mosques including Lakemba, most notably after the New Zealand attack and he also visited the Al Noor Mosque in Christchurch.

 

[Jazny]

Perhaps you could find me where the media outrage was at these incidents

Research shows violence toward Australian mosques widespread

news.csu.edu.au

Also help me find when the sitting PM felt he needed to attend one of these incidents to keep up public appearance from media outrage.

Or just keep ignoring what is very plain to see.

You're dodging the question so I will just keep asking: Why do you believe the media cares more about antisemitism than Islamophobia? Why are they biased toward reporting on antisemitism according to you?

Your question was ridiculous. The vast majority of antisemitic incidents against Jews or mosques don't get widespread national coverage either. It probably has to rise to the level of a place of worship being burned to get significant national attention. When a car was burned and Islamophobic graffiti sprayed outside a mosque in a Islamophobic attack in 2016 it drew national attention and condemnation from the PM.

'Visited by hate': Firebombing, anti-Islam graffiti attack at Perth mosque

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull joins Islamic leaders in condemning an attack that saw a vehicle firebombed and anti-Islam graffiti sprayed outside a mosque and school in Perth.

www.abc.net.au

 

[DapperDon]

You're dodging the question so I will just keep asking: Why do you believe the media cares more about antisemitism than Islamophobia? Why are they biased toward reporting on antisemitism according to you?

Your question was ridiculous. The vast majority of antisemitic incidents against Jews or mosques don't get widespread national coverage either. It probably has to rise to the level of a place of worship being burned to get significant national attention. When a car was burned and Islamophobic graffiti sprayed outside a mosque in a Islamophobic attack in 2016 it drew national attention and condemnation from the PM.

'Visited by hate': Firebombing, anti-Islam graffiti attack at Perth mosque

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull joins Islamic leaders in condemning an attack that saw a vehicle firebombed and anti-Islam graffiti sprayed outside a mosque and school in Perth.

www.abc.net.au

I'm not dodging anything, it's a loaded question for which you'll only accept one answer and i'm not playing your games anymore. If you truly believe Muslims are not treated any different to Christians or Jews then just don't bother replying.

 

[Jazny]

I'm not dodging anything, it's a loaded question for which you'll only accept one answer and i'm not playing your games anymore. If you truly believe Muslims are not treated any different to Christians or Jews then just don't bother replying.

I think this answers the question. If you had an acceptable answer you would have just given it instead of dodging and deflecting.

 

[DapperDon]

I think this answers the question. If you had an acceptable answer you would have just given it instead of dodging and deflecting.

Keep that head in the sand, it's nice and quiet down there.