And where is the invasion language from the media? Aren't they invading AFL territory?
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Seems Goyder has zero influence in his native w.a as well, which just makes him even more useless. I'll give the nrl and v'landy's one thing, they're experts at extorting tax payer money. I saw Cook on tv having a secret meeting with Albo last week and thought to myself, I bet albo is in his ear or gonna dual fund this Perth nrl team.
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The draft principle itself is competition rigging. You are telling a club that if you finish in a certain position, you will have automatic access to the best player available to be picked next year and there is not a thing anyone else can do about it (within academy, f/s limitations of course) so even without those aspects of the draft, the actual draft itself is already tilting the competition to a point where, regardless of the good intentions of it and yes, of course we can all see WHY the draft exists, it is, to a greater or lesser extent, being ‘rigged.’
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We arent any other professional sport, where "growth of the game" generally isnt a consideration. Merely "growth of the league" and its often confused as the other but not the same thing.
It is "rigging" as to produce the best possible results in a competition.
It is a "competition" in that all participants have to abide by all the competition rules.
Yes, they are different but ""growth of the league" is "growth of the game".
Stuff the "invasion theory".
I want to know why labor governments are throwing away taxpayers money over $1 billion dollars to a professional sport ?
Cannot this professional sport stand on it's own two legs?
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then youve utterly missed the point.
Growth of the league is what the NRL effectively did with the Dolphins - they put a strong existing team in a well supported league area into the NRL.
Growth of the game is what the AFL did with the Suns and Giants put in teams that werent exactly ready for them and built them in combination with grassroots and facilities developments.
With Tasmania, they'll get both. For the NRL, they'll get similar in Perth I expect.
Financially, the Suns and Giants cannot be said to have done much for the league that literally adding 2 AFL teams anywhere else in the country would not have done. But there IS a bigger picture to be seen.
I don't think so.
It's called consolidation.
Growth of the league and the game.
No. It's just consolidation.
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Dude I really dont care what you think on any subject. so lets leave it at that.
But enough to say "then youve utterly missed the point."
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I'm glad you agree with me that professional sports shouldn't receive any taxpayers money.
If it is rigging to "screw over" the southern states, then they're not doing a very good job. Here are the premiers by state since the northern academies were introduced in 2013:
Victoria: 10 (2013-17, 2019-23)
Western Australia: 1 (2018)
Queensland: 1 (2024)
Clearly the rules over the last 12 years haven't favoured QLD or NSW to the point that they are winning more than should be expected. There are four teams in QLD & NSW in an 18-team league, so that means there should be a 22% chance of them winning in any given season. The reality shows QLD & NSW have won the premiership just 8.3% of the time while the northern academies have been in play. If anything, the northern states are underperforming compared to what should be happening statistically.
Brisbane's 2024 premiership team is also a very bad example of the northern academies "rigging" the outcome of a season as only 3 of the 23 players for the Lions were picked up via academy access. Brisbane's flag this year was built mostly on good drafting, trading, father-son access and use of the free agency rule - just like every other club has access to.
If the northern academies truly were the "rigging" advantage that some claim they are, then the numbers above would look very different. A better question is whether playing the majority of your games at the MCG every season (including the GF) and only having to travel interstate 5-6 times a year has resulted in 8 of the last 12 premierships being won by MCG tenants. That feels like a far more alarming issue of "rigging" that I'd be focused on.
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So now you slightly changed your mind on this now, which is your prerogative, but I'm in the camp where professional sports shouldn't get any taxpayers.
Why should taxpayers money be used to rebuild or build new stadia when them professional sports have billion dollar tv deals?
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I'm starting to agree with your sentiments on this, seeing that the nrl have been promised over 1 billion in tax payer dollars from federal and w.a labor governments, to start teams in locations that weren't even demanding a team.
What i find extrodinary and I suppose credit to their better management than the afl's, but the ability to start a new club and not have to pay for a single thing yourself or chip in for anything. It's also for them stretched into not only infrastructure as usual with these things, but the funding of a sports actual expansion and talent pathways programs in a whole state and country.
So effectively, if government funding was banned, it would effect the nrl significantly more than the afl these days.
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Whilst I mostly agree with your points, I don't think flags is a great measure when the swans seem to be playing in a grand final every couple of years but choking. They are the outlier in here, whereby they wouldn't be anywhere near the level they are without their academy players, which is about 4 of their top 5 players.
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This is good that you are agreeing with me and lets not forget how much the stadium in Tassie might cost the taxpayer, which won't be far short of a billion at the end of the day.
Professional sports like to boast about the billion dollar TV deals, well let the use that TV money for stadium up grades.
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That's a public asset though that will be used by cricket and for concerts as well. When the Tasmanian government demanded the AFL expand against their will, they said a condition is a new stadium, then the afl for some reason chipped in tens of millions of their own dollars for it (I dunno why?).
The AFL are also chipping in for their training facility in Tasmania (again, I dunno why). It seems dumb strategy to me that the AFL chip in for government owned assets, when no other sport does ever, it's a failure of management.
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Indeed, but all sport could and do make the same claim.
Again it is my opinion as regards stadiums is that if it a rectangular pitch the NRL, RA and the A league should go 3 ways on the cost,and if it's an oval the AFL and CA should go halves on it the everybody is happy, including the taxpayers.
NO I have NOT changed my mind.
You, as you usually do made the wrong assumption.
I said "Professional sports shouldn't receive any taxpayers money directly."
For two reasons.
1. For grandiose ego-boosting wvwnts like the Olympics and world cups etc
I'm against this except where the event will be at least nett cost neutral.
But the decision has been made so lets get the best bang for buck and best infrastructure legacy.
2. There is thing that underwrites government which is "for the common good".
The government collects taxes and then redistributes the revenue "for the common good".
That's the theory. Not surprisingly it's largely flawed but it's the best system we've got.
Spending $600 million on a NRL PNG side isn't "for the common good".
Spending $500 million on a NRL Pth side isn't "for the common good".
if you asked any taxpayer what $ 1 billion windfall could be used for yhen I'd bet they'd say
something like health, housing, education , transport, police, fire prevention, water resources, flood control
or even compensation for cessation of live export trade and flooding.
Sydney have definitely benefitted the most from the advent of the northern academies. Having said that, it hasn't resulted in a premiership to date. I'd actually argue that the acquisition of Buddy (+ Tippett) has been a bigger factor in them playing in 4 of the last 12 Grand Finals when compared to their academy access. Remove Buddy and they for qualify one, maybe two at most, of those GFs and that's about right in terms of what's expected statistically.
Let's see how the Swans go over the next 3-5 years now that Buddy isn't playing anymore. That's a better representation of the potential northern academy acccess advantage IMO.
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