List Mgmt. 2025 List Mismanagement and Trading

[Kane McGoodwin]

Not a chance. It's Draper or ROB, not both.

Or neither.

 

[Cromulant]

Not a chance. It's Draper or ROB, not both.

I'd imagine it would be a swap of free agents if it does come to fruition.

Draper won't come here to sit in the 2s, and ROB won't want to play 2s either

 

[Cromulant]

Or neither.

Maybe

But it'll probably be one of them

 

[Vader]

Or neither.

I'd prefer ROB over Draper, and it's not close. Unfortunately, ROB may make that decision for us by exercising his FA rights.

The problem with going with neither is that you need to find a ROB replacement, for an affordable price. There are arguably plenty of cheap options out there for replacing Strachan. The options for replacing ROB are far more limited, particularly at relatively low costs in terms of draft capital.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I'd prefer ROB over Draper, and it's not close. Unfortunately, ROB may make that decision for us by exercising his FA rights.

The problem with going with neither is that you need to find a ROB replacement, for an affordable price. There are arguably plenty of cheap options out there for replacing Strachan. The options for replacing ROB are far more limited, particularly at relatively low costs in terms of draft capital.

I would prefer to keep ROB over Draper too, but my preference would be neither & find a better ruckman.

ROB doesn't do enough around the ground & his taps to advantage don't tend to really go to the advantage of our midfielders.

 

[Vader]

I would prefer to keep ROB over Draper too, but my preference would be neither & find a better ruckman.

ROB doesn't do enough around the ground & his taps to advantage don't tend to really go to the advantage of our midfielders.

Stats show that his ruck work is much better than you & many others think. Agree with his play around the ground though.

The problem is finding a better ruckman, for a price (draft capital) that we're willing/able to pay. There aren't many better in terms of ruck skills, though there are plenty with better around the ground play.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Should have, could have drafted/rookied a young development ruck either late through the National Draft or rookie draft in recent years instead to all it appears we kept Himmelberg on as a break glass in emergency option even when he wanted out a year earlier. Now we're in the position where if ROB goes at year's end we;re stuffed. God forbid if we have to use Thilly in ruck if ROB cops an injury because Strachan just isn't up to it.

If ROB stays on we will still need to replace Strachan that's a no brainer (Harry Boyd didn't get taken in the rookie draft or PSD), interesting to see if the Saints try him out with a view to takinng him in the pre-season supplementary period.

Either way we have to start putting time into young development rucks.

Yeah we clearly should’ve left a spot open for at least one ruck this year, you could make the case whether that would be a developing ruck and/or a better backup. Preferably should’ve been both

Alas, we’re now stuck in the same situation until next year, unless there’s an LTI over the off-season and we can sign Boyd/Crossley

 

[Danger in Texas]

Stats show that his ruck work is much better than you & many others think. Agree with his play around the ground though.

The problem is finding a better ruckman, for a price (draft capital) that we're willing/able to pay. There aren't many better in terms of ruck skills, though there are plenty with better around the ground play.

His tap work was improved in 2024. Given his build and his capabilities in previous years, he should be good as an around-the-ground ruckman, but is in fact incredibly inconsistent, and bad most weeks

The decision whether it’s worth moving on from him or not might be taken out of our hands, though (if he wants to study in Vic)

 

[Mostyn]

I think it’s the exact opposite. We can’t because we don’t have the cap.

We won’t ever know for sure unless someone for list management comments on it.

I agree with you. That seems the most obvious reason, and sometimes the most obvious reason is that way for a reason.

 

[Mostyn]

Should have, could have drafted/rookied a young development ruck either late through the National Draft or rookie draft in recent years instead to all it appears we kept Himmelberg on as a break glass in emergency option even when he wanted out a year earlier. Now we're in the position where if ROB goes at year's end we;re stuffed. God forbid if we have to use Thilly in ruck if ROB cops an injury because Strachan just isn't up to it.

If ROB stays on we will still need to replace Strachan that's a no brainer (Harry Boyd didn't get taken in the rookie draft or PSD), interesting to see if the Saints try him out with a view to takinng him in the pre-season supplementary period.

Either way we have to start putting time into young development rucks.

We're not stuffed if ROB goes. There's always more potential rucks than there are playing opportunities. We just need to prioritise someone and aggressively pursue them. It's sounded like it's been the bottom of our list of priorities for a while.

 

[Mostyn]

Cook would go on the rookie list before him. At least Berry has looked like an AFL player at times. I don't understand why Cook was re-signed at all, let alone why he was given 2 years.

Cook has genuine talent and a high ceiling.

He's just been physically not ready.

Berry has a very low ceiling, but if he's cheap then I guess it's fine.

Smith is the headscratcher. We NEEDED to move him on. By my count, the small and medium defenders include Isaac Cumming, Mitch Hinge, Max Michalanney, Chayce Jones, Luke Nankervis, Rory Laird, Wayne Milera, Oscar Ryan, Hugh Bond - and even Dawson and Curtin, if we need.

We can't develop all that depth as is, yet alone with Smith as well.

 

[Mostyn]

I'd prefer ROB over Draper, and it's not close. Unfortunately, ROB may make that decision for us by exercising his FA rights.

The problem with going with neither is that you need to find a ROB replacement, for an affordable price. There are arguably plenty of cheap options out there for replacing Strachan. The options for replacing ROB are far more limited, particularly at relatively low costs in terms of draft capital.

I don't think Draper is better than ROB, but it'd also be nice to not have all the ROB debate every week.

 

[Cromulant]

Cook has genuine talent and a high ceiling.

He's just been physically not ready.

Berry has a very low ceiling, but if he's cheap then I guess it's fine.

Smith is the headscratcher. We NEEDED to move him on. By my count, the small and medium defenders include Isaac Cumming, Mitch Hinge, Max Michalanney, Chayce Jones, Luke Nankervis, Rory Laird, Wayne Milera, Oscar Ryan, Hugh Bond - and even Dawson and Curtin, if we need.

We can't develop all that depth as is, yet alone with Smith as well.

Cook has to perform this year or he'll end up at South Adelaide.

 

[cmndstab]

We swapped pick 23 and 26 last year for pick 14 and Burgess. We probably had to give him an extra year to agree to the trade in contract

I'm pretty sure Gold Coast would have been happy to just give up pick 14 and nothing else. Burgess was supposed to be steak knives in our favour, not theirs.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Cook has genuine talent and a high ceiling.

He's just been physically not ready.

Berry has a very low ceiling, but if he's cheap then I guess it's fine.

Smith is the headscratcher. We NEEDED to move him on. By my count, the small and medium defenders include Isaac Cumming, Mitch Hinge, Max Michalanney, Chayce Jones, Luke Nankervis, Rory Laird, Wayne Milera, Oscar Ryan, Hugh Bond - and even Dawson and Curtin, if we need.

We can't develop all that depth as is, yet alone with Smith as well.

Unfortunately Nicks dug that hole for Reid/Hamish, but we could’ve easily gotten ourselves out of that hole by encouraging Berry to move on. With Peatling/Draper in the door, plus Taylor, Dowling and Edwards developing, he’s not really that essential

We should’ve maybe also encouraged one of our contracted players that aren’t best 22, but might still have some value (looking at you, Chayce) to explore their options. You could encourage Smith/Laird to do the same, but 1) they’d dig their heels in, and 2) they’d have little-to-no value at their age

 

[Vader]

Cook has genuine talent and a high ceiling.

He's just been physically not ready.

Berry has a very low ceiling, but if he's cheap then I guess it's fine.

Smith is the headscratcher. We NEEDED to move him on. By my count, the small and medium defenders include Isaac Cumming, Mitch Hinge, Max Michalanney, Chayce Jones, Luke Nankervis, Rory Laird, Wayne Milera, Oscar Ryan, Hugh Bond - and even Dawson and Curtin, if we need.

We can't develop all that depth as is, yet alone with Smith as well.

Cook hasn't improved one iota since the day he was drafted. There is no reason whatsoever to think that he will make it at AFL level. He should have been given his marching orders the same day as McHenry.

The decision to give Berry a 2-year deal, then trade for an upgrade on him (Peatling) is inexplicable.

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[Scorpus]

I'm pretty sure Gold Coast would have been happy to just give up pick 14 and nothing else. Burgess was supposed to be steak knives in our favour, not theirs.

You don't reckon Gold Coast were keen to get rid of a salary for a guy they had zero intention of playing?

 

[Mostyn]

I'm pretty sure Gold Coast would have been happy to just give up pick 14 and nothing else. Burgess was supposed to be steak knives in our favour, not theirs.

Are you sure? They've had a series of salary cap issues. Getting rid of Burgess would have been good from their end as well.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Cook hasn't improved one iota since the day he was drafted. There is no reason whatsoever to think that he will make it at AFL level. He should have been given his marching orders the same day as McHenry.

The decision to give Berry a 2-year deal, then trade for an upgrade on him (Peatling) is inexplicable.

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Agree that this year was Cook’s year to take the bull by the horns (especially given the opportunities he had) - which he didn’t

I’d have probably given him a one-year deal, but that’s just me

 

[Mutineer]

His tap work was improved in 2024. Given his build and his capabilities in previous years, he should be good as an around-the-ground ruckman, but is in fact incredibly inconsistent, and bad most weeks

The decision whether it’s worth moving on from him or not might be taken out of our hands, though (if he wants to study in Vic)

It's even worse if as rumoured ROB wants to head back to Melbourne for studies/ ROB seems to me to be the kind of guy that would have made that clear to list management well in advance of coming up to Free Agency, if that's the case it's doubly bad management by our PTB's..

 

[Danger in Texas]

It's even worse if as rumoured ROB wants to head back to Melbourne for studies/ ROB seems to me to be the kind of guy that would have made that clear to list management well in advance of coming up to Free Agency, if that's the case it's doubly bad management by our PTB's..

Hopefully we haven’t put all our eggs in the Sam Draper basket

 

[Eddie Murphy]

Happy with retaining Schoenberg, Borlase, Strachan and Cook if we’ve exhausted other options, the issue is the multi-year deals mean we can’t explore other options. Were there seriously other clubs offering two-year deals?

I don’t think it’s revisionism to say even in 2023 a Crossley type could offer as much as Strachan if he was truly intent on getting two years. Schoenberg I see similar to Berry this year but having shown even less: yes he’s shown glimpses but we have a number of low ceiling midfielders and positional needs elsewhere. Cook has talent but would surely be closer to having other clubs not interested than offering two years for him.

Another blunder: signing Burgess, who directly correlates to losing Himmelberg (despite what some think on here, he’s significantly better depth). I get the need for extra KPF depth but having Gollant and Himmelberg OOC this year and Burgess contracted meant we really had to nail our talent evaluation of him, which we didn’t.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Happy with retaining Schoenberg, Borlase, Strachan and Cook if we’ve exhausted other options, the issue is the multi-year deals mean we can’t explore other options. Were there seriously other clubs offering two-year deals?

I don’t think it’s revisionism to say even in 2023 a Crossley type could offer as much as Strachan if he was truly intent on getting two years. Schoenberg I see similar to Berry this year but having shown even less: yes he’s shown glimpses but we have a number of low ceiling midfielders and positional needs elsewhere. Cook has talent but would surely be closer to having other clubs not interested than offering two years for him.

Another blunder: signing Burgess, who directly correlates to losing Himmelberg (despite what some think on here, he’s significantly better depth). I get the need for extra KPF depth but having Gollant and Himmelberg OOC this year and Burgess contracted meant we really had to nail our talent evaluation of him, which we didn’t.

Burgess pickup might genuinely be our worst since Gibbs - I know he costed SFA, but considering what him being contracted has meant for some of our other list spots (losing EH, helping to minimise list spots), and especially how poor he’s looked compared to what we probably expected, it’s a pretty big blunder

 

[WeeBlake]

Hopefully we haven’t put all our eggs in the Sam Draper basket

Probably someone will do an LTI in pres-season and can grab one in the Ssp period

 

[Cromulant]

Burgess pickup might genuinely be our worst since Gibbs - I know he costed SFA, but considering what him being contracted has meant for some of our other list spots (losing EH, helping to minimise list spots), and especially how poor he’s looked compared to what we probably expected, it’s a pretty big blunder

Not even close.