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[teagueyubeauty]

Haynes was brought in as depth, he’s not a key defender and plays as a third tall.
We have a few third talls already, but I wouldn’t mind betting he’s on the short list to replace Newmans position as he’s a very smart, yet aged footballer
If he plays his average of eighteen games over the last ten seasons I’ll be shocked


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[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

GWS moved past him because they have Taylor, Buckley, Himmelberg and Idun. Probably the best core four defenders of any team in the AFL. Aleer is also AFL level and can't get a game because of them.

And Haynes did play 19 games in 2023 so was in the team for most of the year.

Idun and Himmelberg are very good players but nowhere near as good as Haynes was. They moved past him because he has gone backwards as a player. As he gets older that will continue to happen.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Perplexed by the "age" propaganda agenda

Couldn't care less, nor would I be disappointed if a 33, 25 or an 18 year old, plays 20+ games as long as we are winning and the side is evolving

Because Haynes isn’t as good as he was and that probably has a lot to do with aging so every chance it continues

 

[Coona Blues]

Off season debates can be galling!

Haynes has been a star if the game. Likely he was paid more last season than ANY Carlton player. Both a clubman and a quality footballer, deferring significant payments for the good of his club.

He had a serious physiological condition which somewhat threatened his life, let alone his career. He has come out the other side with a newfound understanding and ability to manage his body. He had a couple of other injury niggles, much like any other footballer. He has been very durable over his career. He is now a fit, healthy professional footballer. He is/was a worthy All Australian.

I have no bloody idea how he is going to perform for us. I do know he is a professional who I have admired through his GWS career. He is a genuine defender. Absolutely better suited to an intercepting third tall role. It remains to be seen how he works in combination with Weitering and our other tall defenders. He is quality and absolutely deserves our respect.

We pretty much all believe our defence would be better served by another genuine KPD. Other than Lewis Young who doesn’t seem able to cohabit with Weiters for some strange reason, we are without a mature player who fits that bill. Pending of course, what we do in the SSP period with Durdin and possibly Phillips in the mix with a couple of “third tall” types. The move of Jack Silvagni to defence may become a master stroke. While not regarded a genuine tall, he is in fact 194cm and better prepared physically to take in the gorillas than all of Haynes, McGovern and Kemp. Remember Jack just has to “halve” contest rather than be holding marks as a forward focal point. He spent a couple of years grappling with the competition’s premier ruckmen and arguably held his own more often than not.

I will be fascinated to see how the mix develops, as it is not obvious how we will line up. The loss of Newman further enhances the mystery as to what balance we will end up with. Haynes and McGovern can both play smaller, and could potentially play beside two keys, although Gov’s reluctance to genuinely defend complicates things.

We have enough options to cobble together an effective defensive structure and more likely than not, Haynes will be a part of it. (Would have loved him in his prime)

 

[Blue Pulse]

Perplexed by the "age" propaganda agenda

Couldn't care less, nor would I be disappointed if a 33, 25 or an 18 year old, plays 20+ games as long as we are winning and the side is evolving

I'd also like to see players selected on form rather than name.

They have strengthened the VFL side, so I'm excited about that. If someone is smashing the VFL, give them a crack if the player in their position is struggling at AFL level. There is no shame in coming through the VFL to find form or when coming back from injury. It needs to be a stepping stone and provide a strong learning and winning culture which hopefully is what it will become.

 

[Coona Blues]

Idun and Himmelberg are very good players but nowhere near as good as Haynes was. They moved past him because he has gone backwards as a player. As he gets older that will continue to happen.

Idun is actually a star of the game, if he was playing in Victoria he would have much more respect from opposition supporters. Himmelberg plays a different role, but again is a quality player. I would grant you that peak Haynes was a better player than Himmelberg. Very subjective compared to current Idun who is more versatile.

Haynes missed a year in his thirties and others stepped up, with a superb combination formed. Haynes was owed millions so they could not walk away, and no one was taking the monster contract. Practical list management says if there is a decision to be made between players of similar output, you opt for the younger option every time, contract dependent. You don’t lose a five or ten year player to appease a bloke with a couple of years at best.

I have loved Haynes the player, but have mixed feelings over his acquisition. The loss of Newy alone, makes it a great decision for our club. We do not have the cohesion of other defences and hopefully regardless of being in the 22, Haynes has plenty to offer in that area.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Wont judge Haynes until I see him play some sort of games ect. I see it as one of those cheap buys that he could really be great for us, but at the same time might not do much at all.
I saw him play in gws last game against the dogs last year and didn’t impress me that greatly. But that’s only one game, so will wait and see how he’s tracking early season.

 

[Arr0w]

Because Haynes isn’t as good as he was and that probably has a lot to do with aging so every chance it continues

That doesn't mean others we currently have on the list are better than him for that role

I'd also like to see players selected on form rather than name.

They have strengthened the VFL side, so I'm excited about that. If someone is smashing the VFL, give them a crack if the player in their position is struggling at AFL level. There is no shame in coming through the VFL to find form or when coming back from injury. It needs to be a stepping stone and provide a strong learning and winning culture which hopefully is what it will become.

Absolutely, that goes for most players

 

[carlton_99]

Idun and Himmelberg are very good players but nowhere near as good as Haynes was. They moved past him because he has gone backwards as a player. As he gets older that will continue to happen.

Of course Haynes is not in his prime anymore. But he played 19 games just a season ago and did well when called up for the Giants in 2024. He's still AFL quality if he can stay healthy.

 

[morningbrown]

Another mind-boggling list decision giving Cerra 5 years

 

[DangerousD]

When in doubt just refer to my view...ok

PS - ther eis 'something' that people see that leads to mosty decent opnions but typage on a page oft leads to exagerration..which leads to ...
anyway I got sck of watching the stager Djokovic pretend yet another injury to nagify his win or excuse his loss tonihgt - I hope the kid doesn't fal for his gamesmanship- a blight on the gamne imo.

A master of the dark arts, whether its to stop the opponents momentum or whether its to drive internal motivation im not sure but its something that i admire, un uncompromising desire to win

 

[esoteric]

Another mind-boggling list decision giving Cerra 5 years

Some minds appear to get boggled more easily than others. Not sure how anyone can form a view on that without knowing all the details. No indication of the value (may be unders), much less any other conditions such as games triggers or injury clauses (both ways). All we know for sure is both parties seemed to be happy to agree to it.

 

[JJBagger]

I'd also like to see players selected on form rather than name.

They have strengthened the VFL side, so I'm excited about that. If someone is smashing the VFL, give them a crack if the player in their position is struggling at AFL level. There is no shame in coming through the VFL to find form or when coming back from injury. It needs to be a stepping stone and provide a strong learning and winning culture which hopefully is what it will become.

As long as they pick a team they believe can win every week, couldn’t care who’s in it. Show any football fan that grand final winning Brisbane team in round 1 last year, and none would believe it was a premiership team. Willing to ride the wave this year more than previous

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Our midfielders ages in 2025

Docherty - 32
Cripps - 30
Hewett - 30

Cerra - 26
Walsh - 25

Lord - 20
Jagga - 19
B Campo - 19

Elijah, Wilson, Ollie etc may move into a role through the middle in future but even then, are all very young.


Cerra was a necessary signing. Would be ludicrous list management to leave Walsh all on his own when Doch, Cripps and Hewett finish up.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Our midfielders ages in 2025

Docherty - 32
Cripps - 30
Hewett - 30

Cerra - 26
Walsh - 25

Lord - 20
Jagga - 19
B Campo - 19

Elijah, Wilson, Ollie etc may move into a role through the middle in future but even then, are all very young.


Cerra was a necessary signing. Would be ludicrous list management to leave Walsh all on his own when Doch, Cripps and Hewett finish up.

Geez time flies. Feels like just yesterday Walsh was 18.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Geez time flies. Feels like just yesterday Walsh was 18.

Indeed

 

[Beyond Blue]

Gov it atleast AFL standard.
I think people are forgetting GWS moved past Haynes in 2023 not just last year. It’ll be three season since he was a really good player, which at his age is my worry.

If you were picking second defenders around the league, I’d guess McGovern (or anyone other 2nd defender at Carlton for that matter) would be one of the last picked. The gulf between our best and next best tall defender is too large. We should’ve thrown more at Ben McKay or Barrass when they were available. SDK is another chance to rectify the situation at the end of the year. Let’s hope our list team are thinking that way.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Another mind-boggling list decision giving Cerra 5 years

I agree it’s massive risk as we won’t really know if the offseason rehab on his hamstring is successful until much later in the year.

I also doubt any rival club would’ve offered him that length term so the only justification is that he took significantly less money for a longer term

I share your concern especially given our history of rehabilitating injury prone players and/or retaining such players for far too long.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

I too believe Haynes starts

Young has all the attributes, apart from being able to sustain a high level of intensity

I agree with your earlier post that we should pick the best team regardless of age, but I don't expect Haynes to be best 22. If he's healthy enough and playing/training at a level to be in the frame, that's a massive bonus.

I liked Young when he was playing more regularly and thought he did a great job of filling in for Weiters when he went down, but his limitations are worrying.
I think he reads the play/ball well when coming into D50, but he really struggles to read the play ahead of him when going the other way. Whether that's struggling to identify the best targets, or just not being able to react fast enough? I'm not sure, but it stifles our attack more often than not when he has the ball in hand.
If there's a way for him to fix that, I think he's more than serviceable.

 

[morningbrown]

Some minds appear to get boggled more easily than others. Not sure how anyone can form a view on that without knowing all the details. No indication of the value (may be unders), much less any other conditions such as games triggers or injury clauses (both ways). All we know for sure is both parties seemed to be happy to agree to it.

Hasn't played a full season since he joined us, hammys are crepe paper. The money might be lower than his initial deal but it's committing to an injury prone player for such a long period of time which is insane.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Is he actually injury prone? Averaged over 18 AFL games across the past decade. Only played 8 senior last year, but still managed 10 reserves. Had the illness thing fairly recently, but it’s not like he was completely off the park. 180+ across 10 reads pretty well, compare it to most of our talls…

Not sure if overrating Haynes vs Young, or a couple of guys who aren’t even on an afl list right now, or a guy who we’re all hopeful for but he’s changed positions and coming off a knee.

That's fair. Thanks for the added info. Hadn't looked into it myself, but that changes the perspective a bit for me.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Another mind-boggling list decision giving Cerra 5 years

This kind of thing is becoming more regular across the league. Longer deals on less overall money.
Gives the players a bit more security and the clubs a bit more flexibility with TPP.
Will work out best for both more often than not, but some will backfire over the years.
Clubs will eventually work out whether it's beneficial as a concept.

 

[Crippa#9]

I agree it’s massive risk as we won’t really know if the offseason rehab on his hamstring is successful until much later in the year.

I also doubt any rival club would’ve offered him that length term so the only justification is that he took significantly less money for a longer term

I share your concern especially given our history of rehabilitating injury prone players and/or retaining such players for far too long.

I think you've nailed it there.

 

[macky99]

Hasn't played a full season since he joined us, hammys are crepe paper. The money might be lower than his initial deal but it's committing to an injury prone player for such a long period of time which is insane.

Aside from last year he has played most games each year, was in our top 5 in 2023.
Quality player and at 25 club has clearly made a informed decision his body is sound and is a integral part of the future.
l would see it as a good decision based on his age profile.
Aside from last year has averaged between 17-22 games per season over 6 years so l suggest that indicates his body has been sound aside from one season.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Durds is still on light duties rehabbing the shoulder after surgery. Involved in most work, but not engaged in contact yet, so reports will be light on.

I for one am happy we are giving him every chance to get his body right. Kid is defensive weapon, also capable of kicking a “snag” when allowed to play deep.

You're preaching to the converted here. I'm a massive Durdin fan - just needs to get his body right so he can get some continuity into his game after the past few years.

Still reckon that him and Motlop will form a pretty dangerous small forward duo once they're both fit and firing.