USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris

[Chief]

 

[GreyCrow]

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I checked the numbers last night before these came out and these are across the board correct

+1 on most polls done today

I guess given the nature of US Politics a deeper dive into swing states would make for a clearer idea

 

[Chadwiko]

I checked the numbers last night before these came out and these are across the board correct

+1 on most polls done today

I guess given the nature of US Politics a deeper dive into swing states would make for a clearer idea

Yeah, the thing people need to remember is that Trump is not a 'normal' candidate.

He's literally the most polarising figure in US political history.

There's really no such thing as a 'swing' voter who wasn't going to vote for Trump, and then decided to support him after he was shot at by a Republican incel.

 

[Blue1980]

who started how many wars?

Love that argument, which US president has started wars post Bush?

 

[Fire]

They got found out that it was made up. Would be silly to try and lie about it again.

I see someone didn't read the Meuller report.

 

[faible]

I see someone didn't read the Meuller report.

Appears to get his news and views from Sky.

 

[Spearman]

This has been the most disappointing part for me

They have known Trump would be the presumptive - and now - nominee for 2-3 years but its been soft glove time

I dont know who their advisors are but there is a wasteland of stuff that would cripple a normal person

I think there is just some kind of Trump scandal exhaustion. Most news consumers have heard everything already.
Maybe just play greatest hits of Trump's past, but they must put it on local terrestrial TV stations. And produce more SM for younger, not clued in voters.
I agree in that the DNC need to take the gloves ASAP.

 

[Fire]

Yeah, the thing people need to remember is that Trump is not a 'normal' candidate.

He's literally the most polarising figure in US political history.

There's really no such thing as a 'swing' voter who wasn't going to vote for Trump, and then decided to support him after he was shot at by a Republican incel.

Exactly. It's all going to come down to turnout. US politics isn't about appealing to undecideds anymore, because there isn't really any of them left. It's about frothing enough of the base that they come out to vote.

Because the US system is... let's say 'a bit biased'... Biden will need to win the popular vote by about 3-4 percent before he can even think about winning the electoral college.

So basically he's no shot right now. And unless something can ignite the democratic base then nothing is going to change.

 

[Seeds]

They got found out that it was made up. Would be silly to try and lie about it again. They have tried to just scream racist & sexist etc about Trump but haven't fought too much on policies.

Now the inflation is out of control and Americans are struggling most people want answers on how to get out of it. They can't get a proper sentence out of Joe so they don't trust he will help.

The other thing to remember is the candidate has to get his/her supporters to actually vote as it's not compulsory. Biden is doing a terrible job at this and one thing Trump does very well.

Core inflation is now down under 3.3 per cent. I.e its not even remotely out of control but almost back in the target range of 2-3 per cent. Markets expect the Fed to start cutting rates in September.

Sorry but inflation out of control arguments arent valid anymore.

However there is one policy that will boost inflation back up sharply. Trumps massive tariffs on imported goods, particularly from China. If you are concerned about inflation, you cant vote for Donald.

 

[GreyCrow]

Rudy got shot?







*juts kidding

 

[Seeds]

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These polls are pointless. 2000 voters is nothing. Literally nothing. And who knows where those survey voters are located. If the majorty are on the coasts then that is a disasterous poll for biden.

what matters are the polls in the swing states. And polls of tens of thousands of voters in those states and properly proportioned across urban and non urban areas.

 

[Elroo]

Exactly. It's all going to come down to turnout. US politics isn't about appealing to undecideds anymore, bedlcause there isn't really any of them left. It's about frothing enough of the base that they come out to vote.

Because the US system is... let's say 'a bit biased'... Biden will need to win the popular vote by about 3-4 percent before he can even think about winning the electoral college.

So basically he's no shot right now. And unless something can ignite the democratic base then nothing is going to change.

Yep, Texas is a perfect example of this:

 

[GreyCrow]

Yep, Texas is a perfect example of this:

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Democrats have been hoping for this for a long time - well ever since Johnson was President

I sometimes wonder if the border noise is about keeping it red

 

[Vassp]

Love that argument, which US president has started wars post Bush?

Hope you love this argument, it didnt take long after trump was out for a war to start did it...and then another one.

 

[faible]

Hope you love this argument, it didnt take long after trump was out for a war to start did it...and then another one.

I missed Biden invading Ukraine tbh

 

[swingdog]

This has been the most disappointing part for me

They have known Trump would be the presumptive - and now - nominee for 2-3 years but its been soft glove time

I dont know who their advisors are but there is a wasteland of stuff that would cripple a normal person

Extending this, I would have expected a campaign along the lines of "Trump will give in to Russia and China."

I know that it's more nuanced than that but hammering the giving in part would be political campaigning 101.

 

[GreyCrow]

Which constitution? The one that says Biden is Commander in Chief or one they made up in their own heads?

Oh and the comments

 

[Fire]

The whole "Biden is responsible for the Ukraine war" trail of thought is directly at odds with the whole "Trump doesn't start wars" line.

If Trump doesn't start wars, then whats to stop China invading Taiwan if they believe Trump won't interfere?

Either admit you want to be isolationist, in which case Bidens response to the Ukraine war is basically what you want under Trump anyway; or admit that the last two democratic presidents also didn't start wars and Trump is nothing special.

Trump is like the schrodingers cat of war.

 

[Vassp]

I missed Biden invading Ukraine tbh

You shouldve seen it, it was epic, he went for Ukraine but got it mixed up with Uruguay.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Unfortunately no he wont because he benefits if dictators take control.

He doesnt want to trade with china. But has little care about regional disputes in the china south seas. Even the loss of semi conducter technology wont sway him.

Of course Trump cares about Taiwan. Not out of compassion for the people there but because of their technological and strategic significance for the US. Likewise, he couldn't give a shit about "moderate rebel groups" in Syria (and lo and behold, cutting their funding resulted in the collapse of ISIS). Nor could he give a shit about a few regional areas in eastern Ukraine which no one could even name let alone point out on a map but many are somehow passionate about now.

I know you have been honest in acknowledging that you are pro war in the past, so I ask... since WW2, which wars have the US been a part of in a way that were of net benefit to anyone outside of arms manufacturers or big oil?

 

[peetoo]

Yeah, the thing people need to remember is that Trump is not a 'normal' candidate.

He's literally the most polarising figure in US political history.

There's really no such thing as a 'swing' voter who wasn't going to vote for Trump, and then decided to support him after he was shot at by a Republican incel.

This stuff could boost voter turnout thogh

 

[Blue1980]

Hope you love this argument, it didnt take long after trump was out for a war to start did it...and then another one.

Biden made Putin invade Ukraine?

Biden caused October 7? Sure he had helped fund the response, which Trump has criticised him for not helping enough and called him a Palestinian in the debate!

Yep Mr anti war wants to support Israel MORE than Joe Biden….

 

[Blue1980]

Of course Trump cares about Taiwan. Not out of compassion for the people there but because of their technological and strategic significance for the US. Likewise, he couldn't give a shit about "moderate rebel groups" in Syria (and lo and behold, cutting their funding resulted in the collapse of ISIS). Nor could he give a shit about a few regional areas in eastern Ukraine which no one could even name let alone point out on a map but many are somehow passionate about now.

I know you have been honest in acknowledging that you are pro war in the past, so I ask... since WW2, which wars have the US been a part of in a way that were of net benefit to anyone outside of arms manufacturers or big oil?

Korea maybe?

I don’t think the above is a reason to just let Russia have Ukraine.

Are you anti what Israel are doing?

 

[Seeds]

The whole "Biden is responsible for the Ukraine war" trail of thought is directly at odds with the whole "Trump doesn't start wars" line.

If Trump doesn't start wars, then whats to stop China invading Taiwan if they believe Trump won't interfere?

Either admit you want to be isolationist, in which case Bidens response to the Ukraine war is basically what you want under Trump anyway; or admit that the last two democratic presidents also didn't start wars and Trump is nothing special.

Trump is like the schrodinhers cat of war.

Its also at odds with reality. Putin is responsible for the war in Ukraime.

 

[Vassp]

Biden made Putin invade Ukraine?

Biden caused October 7? Sure he had helped fund the response, which Trump has criticised him for not helping enough and called him a Palestinian in the debate!

Yep Mr anti war wants to support Israel MORE than Joe Biden….

that I agree with, not sure why Trump man is backing Israel, interesting to see how this pans out. I'm anti Israel BTW and anti-Middle east.

 

[Barrybran]