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You need to calm the **** down
I enjoyed the hawks attitude this year. There I said it.
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I enjoyed the hawks attitude this year. There I said it.
Given you’re a dumb campaigner , no-one would be surprised by this .
Unfortunately been too busy over the past month to contribute much on this forum in the lead up to the draft. Luckily I was involved in a lot of the conversations during the season that I can refer back to that reflect my opinion rather than being influenced by the picks we taken and being forced into justifying the decisions. Have attached a few below.
As a whole I was very happy with how our draft turned out. Only selection I would have differently is Reid over Faull, in saying that I like the idea of Faull who I think at worst case is competitive second tall who is the perfect Robin who whoever ends up being Batman (hopefully Armstrong or Sims).
The main reason I liked our draft is we took a massive gamble on potential. By draft night I was convinced Lalor had the highest upside of any player, Smilie who Im not massive on as a mid still has the potential upside as a 195cm mid who moves well. Worst case he is 200 game HBF and either way we get good value out of pick 7. Hotton was a top 5 pick who we got at 12 because he missed most of the year, his potential is off the charts. Faull I already touched on. Trainor I wasn't big on inside the top 10 like he was discussed for most of the year but baring the concussion issues represents great value at pick 21 and should be one of the better intercept defenders in comp, does need to improve his decision making when he has the ball mind you. Armstrong I consider the best key forward in the draft by some distance so to get him at pick 23 is a steal in my book. While Sims could be anything and while the hype was around the Whitlock sisters, I much rather Sims over either of them. The cherry on top was the potential top 5 selection we could receive off Norf next year.
I think we've laid a really strong foundation to build upon to kick start our rebuild. Nail next years two picks and dabble some $$$ in free agency and by the time Tassie enter the competition we should be laughing.
September 9th. We ended up getting a likely 2025 top 10 first rounder for pick 27.
Post from June 24. A bit changed in my ranking of FOS and Lalor by draft night but that was more to do with my ranking of FOS than anything. Didn't need to trade our future pick with the exodus we had.
July 24. Ended up being the top four.
August 4th.
August 12.
August 22nd. Missed out on the chance of FOS and Reid who I would have taken over Faull and is the one pick I was slightly disappointed in. Trainor at 21 is good value and is the KPP I have most faith in making it, partly cause he is more of a third tall and plays the easiest role.
August 27. Nailed this. Hotton could easily classify as a mid partly the reason I was keen on him. Algar is worth the pick we used and I did like Angrove as a later selection but GWS had different ideas but selecting him at 24 which took a few by surprise but I personally wasn't.
As a whole I was very happy with how our draft turned out. Only selection I would have differently is Reid over Faull, in saying that I like the idea of Faull who I think at worst case is competitive second tall who is the perfect Robin who whoever ends up being Batman (hopefully Armstrong or Sims).
The main reason I liked our draft is we took a massive gamble on potential. By draft night I was convinced Lalor had the highest upside of any player, Smilie who Im not massive on as a mid still has the potential upside as a 195cm mid who moves well. Worst case he is 200 game HBF and either way we get good value out of pick 7. Hotton was a top 5 pick who we got at 12 because he missed most of the year, his potential is off the charts. Faull I already touched on. Trainor I wasn't big on inside the top 10 like he was discussed for most of the year but baring the concussion issues represents great value at pick 21 and should be one of the better intercept defenders in comp, does need to improve his decision making when he has the ball mind you. Armstrong I consider the best key forward in the draft by some distance so to get him at pick 23 is a steal in my book. While Sims could be anything and while the hype was around the Whitlock sisters, I much rather Sims over either of them. The cherry on top was the potential top 5 selection we could receive off Norf next year.
I think we've laid a really strong foundation to build upon to kick start our rebuild. Nail next years two picks and dabble some $$$ in free agency and by the time Tassie enter the competition we should be laughing.
September 9th. We ended up getting a likely 2025 top 10 first rounder for pick 27.
Post from June 24. A bit changed in my ranking of FOS and Lalor by draft night but that was more to do with my ranking of FOS than anything. Didn't need to trade our future pick with the exodus we had.
July 24. Ended up being the top four.
August 4th.
August 12.
August 22nd. Missed out on the chance of FOS and Reid who I would have taken over Faull and is the one pick I was slightly disappointed in. Trainor at 21 is good value and is the KPP I have most faith in making it, partly cause he is more of a third tall and plays the easiest role.
August 27. Nailed this. Hotton could easily classify as a mid partly the reason I was keen on him. Algar is worth the pick we used and I did like Angrove as a later selection but GWS had different ideas but selecting him at 24 which took a few by surprise but I personally wasn't.
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Turned Daniel Rioli and F2 into Smillie + North's F1 Turned Shai Bolton, Liam Baker and F3 into Hotton, Faull and Trainor Turned Jack Graham and 3rd round picks into Harry Armstrong Turned F4 into Jasper Alger Drafted with 1st and 2nd rounders Lalor and Sims.
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Blair on the phone to Norf when trading pick 27
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Faaark every one loves a first person self congratulator
Put this down more to how our club handles the media. Since about 2017 we've had a clear direction to keep everything in house, communicate through our socials / email channels and only do bare minimum media requirements.
Look at the trade and draft period, we were the hardest to get an interview from, made the media hang around until the end and then gave them donuts.
I personally love it
I recall around 2011-2016 era an associate constantly telling me North, Blues and just about everyone else had out-recruited us, our drafting was shit. I reminded him of that a few years ago deep in our dynasty. He tried to claim he had only been joking to needle me.
The Blues probably actually believe they have the best player to fit their needs, which they rightly see as immediate. Let's see how clever the pick looks 10 years down the track.
It is one of the things I love about Blair Hartley. He doesn't complain, doesn't explain, and never gloats. He knows it will be many years with a lot of trials and ordeals before we can truly judge the value of any of these picks.
He did allow himself a little shit-eating grin when he closed the North f1 deal though, just for a second or two.
There's a big difference between Carlton and us as well.
They absolutely need to land a superstar with Jagga, he's cost 2x first rounders, they've hardly hit the draft in past years & they are in the window needing instant improvement.
We don't need to walk away with the best player in the draft (would be nice though), we need a strong group of young kids who get the best out of themselves and go onto be really good, long term players. We also get another 2x swings at it next year.
Smillie is a beast….was worried we’d miss out on him at pick 6 given his attributes and abilities….and as you say was rated #1-2 for best part of this year
Moves like a regular 186cm mid….but with bulk and mass…once we get him conditioned he will be primed to rip the game apart
My fav out of all the new recruits (Sammy L a close second)
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Algae at #58…..that’s a slide of the century
Blues have joined Pies & Cats as classic "get got" teams.
Williams, M McGovern, E Hollands....they will take whatever players they can get with whatever problems they have got, at any cost. So long as they can have them NOW.
Tigers take no dickheads, no dickheads at the Tigers. Happy to patiently build a great team. Best thing about the club.
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time to return the traditional Richmond yellow
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time to return the traditional Richmond yellow
how we gonna avoid trainor concussions ?
- Oct 27, 2014
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As Adem Yze hugged Josh Smillie on Wednesday he could have been mistaken for believing the No. 7 pick was his next key forward if his knowledge of the draft wasn’t so personal.
Yze had long kept an eye on this 2024 draft crop given son Noah came through with many of the players taken this week.
As Richmond’s injury crisis consigned them to the wooden spoon and the Tigers’ homesick stars increasingly wanted out, it was apparent this draft would be so much more for second-year coach Yze.
It would be the dawn of the new Richmond era.
In all Richmond secured eight players – two elite mids (Sam Lalor, Smillie), a quicksilver mid-forward (pick 12 Taj Hotton), four key talls (forwards Jonty Faull, Harry Armstrong and Thomas Sims, key back Luke Trainor) and a 183cm medium forward (pick 58 Jasper Alger).
Yze knows the sheer youth of this Richmond side means he will have to pivot from his desire to compete when he arrived exactly 14 months ago to full rebuild mode.
But as the 187cm, 287-game veteran looked up to Smillie on Wednesday night he knew list boss Blair Hartley had collected an elite group of kids who also boast the character to match.
“ (Smillie) is a star. This time last year he was touted as pick one and he probably wasn’t happy with the back half of his year which saw him slide down but we got a guy who is hard to find,” Yze told the Herald Sun in an exclusive interview.
“He’s 194cm and a massive unit. He’s a beautiful kid and his skills are very good for a big man. He’s so driven and keen to get the best out of him.
“My young fella is in his draft year and so he’s 18 and he’s played against a lot of these kids and I watched a lot of them from a young age.
“I saw Josh the other night and he looked like a key-position boy. I was trying to hug him and Sammy Lalor (188cm) and it looked like we had drafted all key-position boys. That’s just what they are. Big midfielders who can run all day. It’s exciting and he’s pumped.”
If Hartley and deceased list boss Chris Toce have their fingerprints on this year’s draft, Yze has ridden shotgun the entire way.
Richmond had always believed vice-captain Liam Baker would likely head home, in essence signing a two-year deal back in 2022 with a message that this would be his last contract.
Then Dan Rioli met Gold Coast, Shai Bolton’s homesickness intensified with the impending arrival of his second child, Dustin Martin retired and Jack Graham began fielding free agency offers.
“It started to gain momentum. A couple of them we didn’t have a say in with Jack and Liam and we wanted to do the right thing by them, especially with Liam wanting to get home,” Yze said.
“The other two were contracted and irrelevant of how good the draft was, we had to get a win out of it. It was something we had to plan. When you lose players of that quality, we needed quality draft picks. Once we went through that process, we knew what our draft hand could be based on the quality in this draft.
“We got the picks we needed and we felt like it was fair. Shai is a great kid and Daniel is a best-and-fairest winner but they are going on to different challenges.”
In a season of challenges Yze should be proud of the way he held his head high with departing premiership players.
“It’s a tough one when you are talking about premiership players and superstars of our club,” he said.
“Shai and Liam needed to get home. I was really open with ‘Bakes’ early on because you could see the pressure mounting on him and you could see it weighing on him.
“In the end it was more about helping them have the best season they could have and playing with freedom and then letting those things unfold later in the year.”
Ex-Saints recruiting boss Toce had believed powerful GWV Rebels mid-forward Sam Lalor was the draft’s best player when he pitched his services early in the year before his March appointment.
And with Yze present when the list team arrived on Lalor’s doorstep in Bacchus Marsh early this week to inform a player with Dustin Martin-esque traits, nothing had changed.
“Sammy is a star. He’s been a captain and much-loved member of every team he’s been in whether it’s his cricket program or his footy team. He’s a leader of men,” said Yze.
“And that’s the strength of the recruiting team. The amount of work they have put in watching games but also digging into the type of people they are, it’s why this footy club has been really strong in the past 10 years. It’s the character of the players and it stood out with all of them.
“All the kids who have come to the club in this draft are outstanding men who also have AFL talent. When Blair and the guys do their background stuff around these players character is right up there when it comes to rating players.”
Trainor has already started pestering Yze about which senior players drive standards and who organises Sunday recovery sessions.
This group will maximise their football talents even if in any draft not all of those eight players will turn into AFL regulars.
Yze is thrilled with the blend of talls and smalls but says it was no preordained plan to take three mids then a quartet of key talls.
“It’s ironic how it worked out. It wasn’t a plan to take the first four picks with a certain type of player. It just worked out where we ranked them. Jonty Faull is a quality tall forward who we rated really highly. We didn’t need to get him at 14 to get in front of someone else. He deserved that position and then we were rapt to get Armstrong later on (at pick 23).
“To be able to fulfil our needs, the balance of our draft hand ended up well so the recruiting team have done an amazing job to be able to do that in one draft hand.”
And yet as the draft excitement cools and Richmond’s established stars return to training this week the list of just seven 2020 premiership players on the list will present some cold hard realities.
With four 2024 ACL victims still to return, Martin retired and three of this year’s players from the top five in the best-and-fairest gone, there could be some bleak afternoons at the MCG from a scoreboard perspective.
Especially given Hotton will be taken along slowly after this May’s ACL tear, Lalor is coming off a serious hamstring issue and four of the draftees are key talls.
“We have got to set some goals as a club and as a team and we obviously want to win but we have to start to look at what success looks like. There might be a bit of pain. We hope there isn’t and last year there were a heap of reasons for the results we had with injury and the like. Now we have a lot of young kids in we can fast track our growth,” he said.
“You will have games as a young team where everything clicks and you can have amazing results. Then there are games where as a young team their form can fluctuate.
“So we will manage that but we will play an exciting brand and hopefully play a brand of footy our supporters can be proud of every week.
“So there is the win-loss column. But we have got to be really proud of the way we play rather than the results.”
Fox Footy’s David King often says the rebuilding coach is lucky to survive that journey and yet Yze says the club isn’t starting at ground zero.
There is an established senior core — Toby Nankervis, Nick Vlastuin, Jayden Short, Tom Lynch, Noah Balta, Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper — and the hope is some of the 20-50 gamers can join Tom Brown and Josh Gibcus as likely 200-games.
“We have eight quality kids coming into the program but it’s already a list that has given some exposure to some of our younger boys next this year. So when you add those groups together it’s pretty exciting when you consider the talent we have with our older players. We will be OK.”
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Talk about dead keen. Trainor has already started pestering Yze about which senior players drive standards and who organises Sunday recovery sessions.
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1 premiership in 120 plus years. And it was a 1 point win. That club and its 25 supporters are a joke
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time to return the traditional Richmond yellow
hes a good trainor
It'd be hard not to have a shit eating grin when you're holding a royal flush for the current game and you know you're gonna have at least a pair of aces for the next game.
