List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[LukeParkerno1]

Another wonderful first round success. And to think that we gave up the opportunity to take Weddell who would have fitted our needs far more than Konstanty.

Weddle might have been good but he’s played most as a tall mid for the Hawks. How’s he getting a spot in our midfield? That draft was heavily impacted with unforeseen circumstances, hardly going to blame the club on this one.

 

[Neverwas]

I don't think Konstanty is finished. You can see the talent is there, and the will, but he just hasn't found his confidence yet.

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[Kiama Chris]

This is a fine solution i mean no club will accept your offer of pick 28,36,48,54 for pick 3.

Gold Coast if you throw in 65 and 72?

 

[Kiama Chris]

Yeo set to remain at the Eagles for another 3 years according to Ryan Daniels. His mail is pretty good so that's another one North has missed.

Good to see him run out his career at one club.

 

[Kiama Chris]

I don't think Konstanty is finished. You can see the talent is there, and the will, but he just hasn't found his confidence yet.

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I haven't seen much of him so who knows but reading the comments I'm not hearing confidence, I'm hearing unmotivated. He came to us as a pressure forward. Not hearing that.

 

[DeathlyAccurate]

I said it before, but everything is aligning for Parker's first game back to be the Grand Final replacing Adams.

Which would be a disgusting call. Adams is a huge part of why we’re 12-1. Parker isn’t.

He’s had the chance to build and potentially be in the team already and he decided to send a guy to hospital instead. No I don’t think it was his intention but he got himself into this position and Adams shouldn’t suffer just because he happens to be fit and available at the right time.


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[DeathlyAccurate]

Not defending what they did but they still phased it out.

Didn’t get much of a warning for the trade ban, though. **** Carlton.


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[DeathlyAccurate]

Hamling for Logan a possibility too

Yes let’s drop Logan on the eve of a grand final again and watch him walk to West Coast.


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[sataris]

just because he happens to be fit and available at the right time.

I never said he'd be fit.

 

[grimlock]

We've been scouting the third McCartin brother, and according to the below article used to work with our recruiting department (how meta)

From recruiter, to the recruited: How late-blooming McCartin is turning the heads of AFL scouts

Charlie McCartin, the late-developing middle brother of Paddy and Tom, is attracting the attention of AFL clubs while playing country footy in Lorne.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Tedeski]

Good to see him run out his career at one club.

Two clubs.
He was one of the original Homesick boys that left Brisbane.

 

[Crust]

Kane needs to find another job. Knows SFA about footy. Comes from a Club insanely bitter about the Academies and F/S.

She was On the Couch earlier this year and all she said was corporate speak. Didn't answer a single question, and, disappointingly, she was not pressed.

 

[SM]

Good to see him run out his career at one club.

I'm not sure if this is a joke I've missed but he started at the Lions.

 

[Kiama Chris]

I'm not sure if this is a joke I've missed but he started at the Lions.

No joke, I didn't know.

 

[Adnico26Parker]

Edmund speculates what draft changes might be on the cards:


And Fox Sports forecasting clubs will be told in groups of 6 next week:

Why AFL clubs are fuming over sudden draft changes... and who it’ll hurt most — Draft Watch

Why AFL clubs are fuming over sudden draft changes, and who it’ll hurt: Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Exactly what it should have been from the start. Can come in this year too

 

[liz]

I read somewhere today - I think it was on SEN and quoting Damian Barrett, for good or for bad - that the clubs squealing loudest about the possibility of changes coming in this year are those who are just set to benefit most this year, and that clubs haven’t been kept in the dark as much as they claim.

Whenever a change is made, some clubs will feel miffed that they missed out on the cheaper prices. That will happen regardless.

I doubt we have much cause to feel miffed if the changes are brought in this year, given we have benefitted in the past. And I doubt it will affect our capacity to pay this year given the picks we have and the players we might want to select.

I don’t have much sympathy for Brisbane being miffed this year just because they have to pay more for Ashcroft. I think Carlton have a stronger case, but hey, it’s Carlton, so who cares? And with them a likely top four finisher, if the same restrictions applied to FS picks as apply to academy picks, they’d only have priority access to one Camporeale in the top 20 anyway.

 

[Cadsky]

Good to see him run out his career at one club.

Pretty sure he was drafted to the lions and was part of that group of 5 young players that walked out on them.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Pretty sure he was drafted to the lions and was part of that group of 5 young players that walked out on them.

Apparently so. I didn't know.

 

[RedBloodBlackSwan]

I definitely don’t like the timing for these changes - are they that urgent they can’t wait 12 more months?

I like the intent but also don’t love the details. Why arbitrarily cutoff points values at pick 40? Why not just gets the points curve right, and increase value at top end then gradually taper off?

It’s like they don’t like the optics of teams using multiple late picks to match, rather than the value of those multiple picks not reflecting the higher draft pick. If that’s the case, just get rid of the points system then!

 

[Kiama Chris]

I definitely don’t like the timing for these changes - are they that urgent they can’t wait 12 more months?

I like the intent but also don’t love the details. Why arbitrarily cutoff points values at pick 40? Why not just gets the points curve right, and increase value at top end then gradually taper off?

It’s like they don’t like the optics of teams using multiple late picks to match, rather than the value of those multiple picks not reflecting the higher draft pick. If that’s the case, just get rid of the points system then!

One simple way would be that you can use no more than 2 picks to match (regardless of discounts etc). Assuming a steeper curve you have to use picks closer to the one you're matching. No more little fish for a top ten pick.
If someone picks your bloke at Pick 38 and you have a zero value pick 45 you're stuffed.
Lots of wrinkles. Should cut off at the spot where there are rarely any more picks. A long taper with low value, too low to use for a high value pick.
Get an actuary onto it

 

[RedBloodBlackSwan]

One simple way would be that you can use no more than 2 picks to match (regardless of discounts etc). Assuming a steeper curve you have to use picks closer to the one you're matching. No more little fish for a top ten pick.
If someone picks your bloke at Pick 38 and you have a zero value pick 45 you're stuffed.
Lots of wrinkles. Should cut off at the spot where there are rarely any more picks. A long taper with low value, too low to use for a high value pick.
Get an actuary onto it

Give me champions points data for all picks over the last 20 years (or however far it goes back), and I’ll give the AFL the model for free.

 

[liz]

Give me champions points data for all picks over the last 20 years (or however far it goes back), and I’ll give the AFL the model for free.

I think that would give a flatter curve, not a steeper one.

I can provide a reference for that assertion except I’m in bed and it’s too cold to ease out from under my doona and go downstairs to visit my bookshelves.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I definitely don’t like the timing for these changes - are they that urgent they can’t wait 12 more months?

I like the intent but also don’t love the details. Why arbitrarily cutoff points values at pick 40? Why not just gets the points curve right, and increase value at top end then gradually taper off?

It’s like they don’t like the optics of teams using multiple late picks to match, rather than the value of those multiple picks not reflecting the higher draft pick. If that’s the case, just get rid of the points system then!

I preferred the idea where the first pick had to be within 10 or so of the bid however I do like this one in theory. The curve value should be fixed now though honestly times the top 10 by 1.5 and you start to get a better system.

 

[anotherletdown]

I read somewhere today - I think it was on SEN and quoting Damian Barrett, for good or for bad - that the clubs squealing loudest about the possibility of changes coming in this year are those who are just set to benefit most this year, and that clubs haven’t been kept in the dark as much as they claim.

Whenever a change is made, some clubs will feel miffed that they missed out on the cheaper prices. That will happen regardless.

I doubt we have much cause to feel miffed if the changes are brought in this year, given we have benefitted in the past. And I doubt it will affect our capacity to pay this year given the picks we have and the players we might want to select.

I don’t have much sympathy for Brisbane being miffed this year just because they have to pay more for Ashcroft. I think Carlton have a stronger case, but hey, it’s Carlton, so who cares? And with them a likely top four finisher, if the same restrictions applied to FS picks as apply to academy picks, they’d only have priority access to one Camporeale in the top 20 anyway.

Carlton have Walker's kid in a couple of years, they're more worried about that than the Camporeale boys.