Play Nice 2023 Non AFL (or lower league) Sports Industry Discussion

[BobbyMorri]

Xitter reporting ex-alp senator stephen conroy has been appointed chair of oz soccers apl (may have even seen it on wookies xitter feed)

anyhoo - conroy is a mad collingwood fan ..... wonder how well that will sit with the sokkah purists?

Conroy has always been a soccer fan. And well, he can't do any worse than the bloke he replaced.

99% couldn't give a crap if someone supports a team from another. . As long as you support the sport you managing.

 

[The Educator]

Solid numbers for the NRL GF obviously helped by a close finish and Broncos participation....

Sunday 1 October 2023 | TV Tonight

1 NRL GRAND FINAL DAY 2,045,000 2 NRL GRAND FINAL DAY -ENTERT. 1,051,000 3 NRL GRAND FINAL DAY -POST MATCH 1,016,000 4 SEVEN NEWS 829,000 5 NINE NEWS 94,000

tvtonight.com.au

Might get to 3.5 million with regionals and BVOD

 

[Macca180]

Solid numbers for the NRL GF obviously helped by a close finish and Broncos participation....

Sunday 1 October 2023 | TV Tonight

1 NRL GRAND FINAL DAY 2,045,000 2 NRL GRAND FINAL DAY -ENTERT. 1,051,000 3 NRL GRAND FINAL DAY -POST MATCH 1,016,000 4 SEVEN NEWS 829,000 5 NINE NEWS 94,000

tvtonight.com.au

Might get to 3.5 million with regionals and BVOD

And because they are smart and put it at night in prime time.

 

[kranger]

Solid numbers for the NRL GF obviously helped by a close finish and Broncos participation....

Sunday 1 October 2023 | TV Tonight

1 NRL GRAND FINAL DAY 2,045,000 2 NRL GRAND FINAL DAY -ENTERT. 1,051,000 3 NRL GRAND FINAL DAY -POST MATCH 1,016,000 4 SEVEN NEWS 829,000 5 NINE NEWS 94,000

tvtonight.com.au

Might get to 3.5 million with regionals and BVOD

The womens NRL grand final post match got higher than the match itself.

 

[The_Wookie]

State of the Game 2023: NRL & NRLW TV Ratings, Attendances, Social Media, Memberships and Finance - Sports Industry AU

Well after one of the best grand finals seen in many a year, its time to say goodbye to the NRL season and hello to the forthcoming internationals, but first we take a good look at the metrics from what was a record breaking season for the National Rugby League. Attendance its all good news...

www.footyindustry.com

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Seems no chance of the 2034 World Cup (Men’s) being held in Australia

The success of the FIFA Women’s World Cup and on the back of the Matildas stirring run to the semi-finals, Football Australia had declared its intention to bid for more major tournaments.

That included the 2034 men’s World Cup but in a hammer blow the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) has instead thrown it’s full support behind a bid by Saudi Arabia.

Aussie World Cup bid dealt hammer blow as $600b Saudi push gets massive boost

Aussie World Cup bid dealt hammer blow as $600b Saudi push gets massive boost

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Rob]

Easy to throw your hat in the ring when it's using someone else's money.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Seems the one day 50 over format of cricket maybe in trouble - squeezed in by the relentless rise of T20 matches and League, and Test Cricket in an increasingly crowded cricket calendar. The mooted solution by the MCC is to restrict playing it to just the World Cup every four years.

Earlier this week, new chairman of the Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC), Mark Nicholas, proposed the best way to ensure the longevity of the format could be to limit its playing to the quadrennial World Cups.

"We believe strongly that ODIs should be World Cups only," Nicholas said in an interview with ESPNcricinfo.

'Maybe there won't be another World Cup': Questions grow as cricket's 50-over format struggles in a crowded calendar

Despite there being more ODIs played than ever before, the men's Cricket World Cup in India gets underway with questions again being raised over the future of the format and its place in an increasingly crowded cricket calendar.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Cmarsh]

Seems no chance of the 2034 World Cup (Men’s) being held in Australia

The success of the FIFA Women’s World Cup and on the back of the Matildas stirring run to the semi-finals, Football Australia had declared its intention to bid for more major tournaments.

That included the 2034 men’s World Cup but in a hammer blow the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) has instead thrown it’s full support behind a bid by Saudi Arabia.

Aussie World Cup bid dealt hammer blow as $600b Saudi push gets massive boost

Aussie World Cup bid dealt hammer blow as $600b Saudi push gets massive boost

www.foxsports.com.au

And the soccer bodies keep choosing nations to host like Qatar and now Suadi and gloss over their active discrimination and state sanctioned killings against people who dont fit their archaic religious laws.

 

[The Educator]

Easy to throw your hat in the ring when it's using someone else's money.

The funniest irony is the only chance an Australian bid has is exploiting the fact that a Saudi bid will mean shutting down the European club season in November / December again....and the Australian bid will need to compensate the AFL for doing the same in the middle of its season (a reminder that 6 of 9 of the FIFA compliant capacity stadiums in Australia will be AFL stadiums)

The way the Soccer Australia CEO was talking yesterday I suspect they will try and get Asia backing to host this new club world cup instead as a pay off for not bidding for the world cup

 

[Cmarsh]

Get out the violins folks, its yet another soccer whinge about the AFL.

'It's only played in one country': Socceroos coach takes aim at AFL and Albanese over funding for Australian soccer

Graham Arnold criticises politicians over a lack of soccer funding, as Australia prepares to take on England in a friendly clash at Wembley.

www.abc.net.au

 

[pattymalone00]

Get out the violins folks, its yet another soccer whinge about the AFL.

'It's only played in one country': Socceroos coach takes aim at AFL and Albanese over funding for Australian soccer

Graham Arnold criticises politicians over a lack of soccer funding, as Australia prepares to take on England in a friendly clash at Wembley.

www.abc.net.au

Honestly agree that soccer needs more funding but also the same way soccer being worldwide and having the World Cup is special to that sport isn’t the fact the AFL is an Aussie born and played sport sorta special to it

 

[The Educator]

Honestly agree that soccer needs more funding but also the same way soccer being worldwide and having the World Cup is special to that sport isn’t the fact the AFL is an Aussie born and played sport sorta special to it

Why does soccer need (deserve?) more funding? It gets an enormous amount of public money. It uses state of the art stadia it contributes nothing towards and gets paid to play there if its Soceroos / Matildas or touring European sides.

It can't make a coherent case for money through normal grants programs and wants special treatment just because

The value of Australian football isn't really that it is indigenous so much as it is because it generates an immeasurable volume of cultural, social and economic value and keeps it, and our best athletes, in the country.

Compare that to soccer that offers the potential of a sugar hit of jingoism every four years and otherwise success means all our best athletes and our attention going to europe for the other 46 months of the cycle. How the fck is that better than what we have?

Soccer does not deserve special treatment. Don't get sucked in.

 

[RedV3x]

Honestly agree that soccer needs more funding

Why soccer. Why not netball, basketball, baseball, volleyball, ice hockey, athletics...whatever.

soccer being worldwide

but soccer is not played uniformly worldwide is it. There are large sections of the world where is soccer isn't the main sport.
Why promote a "worldwide" sport that crushes other sports and reduces global sports content.
We are increasingly told to respect other cultures and keep the world interesting not become another boring clone.
And people, why put more money into trying to compete with well established countries, we're on a loser with soccer.
We're never going to win or even come close. Don't magnify those losses.

having the World Cup is special to that sport

Like the rugby world cup to rugby, netball world cup to netball, the cricket world cup to cricket.
Because Australian Rules Football is not widely known around the world is EXACTLY the reason why it should be show-cased to the world.

isn’t the fact the AFL is an Aussie born and played sport sorta special to it.

Australian Rules Football is a winner for Australia. It's big business, socially important, culturally important, physically important and mentally import.
Australian Rules Football can be a winner internationally just take a look at how American Football is recognised around the word.
If the federal government put money in backing the Australian Rules Football world Cup then people all over the world would come to Australia. It could be an income earner for Australia down the track.

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[Gigantor]

I would have thought that being a huge global sport means soccer needs no public funding.
In fact, in the book "Soccernomics", the author makes the point that soccer is so huge globally that Australian Football can only survive with substantial government assistance.
The book foresees future where the game will only be seen at folk and cultural events, subsidised by public funding, as a means of preserving a long forgotten quirky cultural tradition.
So logically, like Australian art, film and music, it's actually Australian Football in grave need of public funding.

 

[weewilly]

I would have thought that being a huge global sport means soccer needs no public funding.
In fact, in the book "Soccernomics", the author makes the point that soccer is so huge globally that Australian Football can only survive with substantial government assistance.
The book foresees future where the game will only be seen at folk and cultural events, subsidised by public funding, as a means of preserving a long forgotten quirky cultural tradition.
So logically, like Australian art, film and music, it's actually Australian Football in grave need of public funding.

So true!

 

[weewilly]

The only time Soccer in Australia will get substantial funding from ANY government State or federal is if there are votes in it for political parties.

 

[The Educator]

I would have thought that being a huge global sport means soccer needs no public funding.
In fact, in the book "Soccernomics", the author makes the point that soccer is so huge globally that Australian Football can only survive with substantial government assistance.
The book foresees future where the game will only be seen at folk and cultural events, subsidised by public funding, as a means of preserving a long forgotten quirky cultural tradition.
So logically, like Australian art, film and music, it's actually Australian Football in grave need of public funding.

I'd forgotten about Soccernomics! That must be 15 years ago. Not sure their prediction is tracking too well!

Conversely, could you imagine an alternate universe where Australian films hold 80% of Australian box office and streaming with the residual 20% on foreign film (say mainly Hollywood).....and the sector mainly focused on foreign film was demanding copious amounts of tax payer dollars to shift the sufficient attention to Hollywood? Because its special?

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Cricket albeit T20 has been included in the 2028 LA Olympics. It will have separate men and women’s editions, with just 6 teams in each competition to cut down on athlete numbers

Cricket Australia hails 'game-changer' Olympics inclusion

Cricket has been confirmed as a new Olympic sport for the 2028 LA Games, with Cricket Australia hailing the move as a "game-changer" for the sport.

www.abc.net.au

 

[The Educator]

Cricket albeit T20 has been included in the 2028 LA Olympics. It will have separate men and women’s editions, with just 6 teams in each competition to cut down on athlete numbers

Cricket Australia hails 'game-changer' Olympics inclusion

Cricket has been confirmed as a new Olympic sport for the 2028 LA Games, with Cricket Australia hailing the move as a "game-changer" for the sport.

www.abc.net.au

Hopefully we make it!

 

[RedV3x]

just 6 teams in each competition to cut down on athlete numbers

A bit fewer teams and you could have NFL and AFL.

 

[Gizmo]

"Obama called it the world’s biggest tax scam. It’s where A-League owners live"

The tax haven, the PO box, the tropical island: Who owns Australian soccer

The A-Leagues’ major shareholder owns its stake in Australian professional soccer via a series of offshore tax havens, including an infamous PO box in the Cayman Islands.

www.theage.com.au

Tax Justice Network Australia spokesman Dr Mark Zirnsak said he questioned why there was any need for the largest shareholder of professional soccer in Australia to structure itself through the Cayman Islands.

“Are you trying to hide someone in the ownership structure because no one knows who is behind the company?” he said. “Is there some sort of tax angle, either avoiding or evading what they should be paying in tax?”

Dr Zirnsak said there could be sport integrity issues for soccer as part of its ownership was unknown because it was based in a secretive jurisdiction.

“This is such a bad look, it just strikes me as crazy for any sporting body.”

 

[BobbyMorri]

A bit fewer teams and you could have NFL and AFL.

NFL is...kinda..

flag Football. NFL sponsored and endorsed. American Football itself will never be an Olympic sport, for the same reason AFL will never.

AFL needs a lot to even get on the same ballpark. An international organisation, 50 governing bodies, worldwide competitive world wide play and make $$$ for the IOC. (ala Be American). Only reason flag football is in and the fact it is in LA.