List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[BarryAglett]

So it is Thomas

 

[Mors]

Took Harvey Thomas in the draft. Looks as though we are done now.

 

[Giant Strides]

It's Harvey Thomas.

I expect we'll take Charlie McCormack as a Cat B rookie then.

 

[Giant YoYo]

Giants academy product. Nice.

 

[Colonial]

 

[Colonial]

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

So that’s like, what? A 2019 away jumper? Earlier? When did we give up Xblades?

where does he lay his hands on one of those that quickly? Nipped round to Mrs Cognilio’s place and asked to borrow one of Stephen’s old ones?

impressed though - not just with the speed but also the smile.

 

[Colonial]

 

[Hendo_21]

We have drafted an 11 year old

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

We have drafted an 11 year old

Who kicked 4 goals in 3 games for our VFL team this year

 

[PMBangers]

Hopefully this can help coax Ella Roberts for our AFLW side l!

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

So, correct me if I’m wrong, but with 2 from NSW, 1 from Tassie & 1 from WA, this would be only the second time that we haven’t drafted a Victorian.

 

[Hendo_21]

Do wonder long term how we navigate the long list of non-Toby/key forwards on this list because at the moment it could be
Leake
Jones
Gothard
Bedford
Daniels
Peatling
McMullin
Stone
XO
Thomas
Brown

• Plan would be for Daniels and Bedford to be here long term
• Brown really came on last year and still has heaps of growth left
• Jones, Leake and Gothard are first round picks so would assume they have at least 4 years on the list
• XO was playing the best footy of his career before he got injured but picked up a 2 year extension in the meantime
• Stone getting to the end of his rope I imagine
• McMullin playing in his first year is impressive but ultimately they've just brought in 2 guys that play a similar position which they have more invested in so his development could be shifted to the backburner
• Peatling is just sort of there as depth at the moment and with the amount of young guys we have in these roles now it wouldn't surprise me for him be purely last resort in order to get games into the younger lads unless they're completely unready

It's going to be a lot of guys battling for similar spots next year and in the future so will be interesting to see how it all pans out. Would guess Daniels, Bedford, Leake, Gothard and Jones are the core of the group in an ideal world and they cycle depth around them but then again Brown blew me away last year and if the form XO showed before getting injured is real then he might be a part of the group as well. Seems like a move up the ground is inevitable for at least one of them, Leake and Jones would be the candidates imo.

 

[PaythePerryman]

I think we'd develop

Do wonder long term how we navigate the long list of non-Toby/key forwards on this list because at the moment it could be
Leake
Jones
Gothard
Bedford
Daniels
Peatling
McMullin
Stone
XO
Thomas
Brown

• Plan would be for Daniels and Bedford to be here long term
• Brown really came on last year and still has heaps of growth left
• Jones, Leake and Gothard are first round picks so would assume they have at least 4 years on the list
• XO was playing the best footy of his career before he got injured but picked up a 2 year extension in the meantime
• Stone getting to the end of his rope I imagine
• McMullin playing in his first year is impressive but ultimately they've just brought in 2 guys that play a similar position which they have more invested in so his development could be shifted to the backburner
• Peatling is just sort of there as depth at the moment and with the amount of young guys we have in these roles now it wouldn't surprise me for him be purely last resort in order to get games into the younger lads unless they're completely unready

It's going to be a lot of guys battling for similar spots next year and in the future so will be interesting to see how it all pans out. Would guess Daniels, Bedford, Leake, Gothard and Jones are the core of the group in an ideal world and they cycle depth around them but then again Brown blew me away last year and if the form XO showed before getting injured is real then he has to be a part of the group as well. Seems like a move up the ground is inevitable for at least one of them, Leake and Jones would be the candidates imo.

l think we'd develop Leake as a defender/mid to begin with.

Last year in that Port Adelaide game (in season) showed how vulnerable we are without the pace of Bedford and Daniels up forward. That pace up forward is huge for our structure....having Jones, Gothard and McMullin as depth for them is a good idea.

I'm praying for Stone. I really think he just needs a good run injury wise.

Brown and XO is a good point. They might be fighting for a spot by the end of the year.

 

[Hendo_21]

I think we'd develop

l think we'd develop Leake as a defender/mid to begin with.

Last year in that Port Adelaide game (in season) showed how vulnerable we are without the pace of Bedford and Daniels up forward. That pace up forward is huge for our structure....having Jones, Gothard and McMullin as depth for them is a good idea.

I'm praying for Stone. I really think he just needs a good run injury wise.

Brown and XO is a good point. They might be fighting for a spot by the end of the year.

If Leake is a defender who's spot is he pushing for? The back 6 seems so set to me that it's hard to see someone breaking in, Taylor, Buckley, Idun, HH, Ash, Whitfield and Perryman, it's just hard to see him playing over any of those guys even a couple years down the line, unless he's REALLY good that doesn't even include Haynes and Cumming. Fit just seems a bit more unclear down back which is what makes mid/fwd more intriguing to me, think there's a clearer avenue to playing time with it a bit less settled and he also looked super dynamic up forward.

 

[Giant Pete]

If it adds up to good depth then that’s a great result. It’s pretty clear speed is a priority.
Collingwood are going for the same thing.
Both McRae and Kingsley know Richmond were at their best when they had 5 or 6 smaller, quick and agile types who can repeat sprint for 4 quarters, was when they were able to execute their gamestyle the best.

 

[Orange crush]

If Leake is a defender who's spot is he pushing for? The back 6 seems so set to me that it's hard to see someone breaking in, Taylor, Buckley, Idun, HH, Ash, Whitfield and Perryman, it's just hard to see him playing over any of those guys even a couple years down the line, unless he's REALLY good that doesn't even include Haynes and Cumming. Fit just seems a bit more unclear down back which is what makes mid/fwd more intriguing to me, think there's a clearer avenue to playing time with it a bit less settled and he also looked super dynamic up forward.

Leake, if he becomes a backman rather than mid, will free Pez up to play midfield which we know he can do.

 

[Andre the Giant]

This made me laugh

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Do wonder long term how we navigate the long list of non-Toby/key forwards on this list because at the moment it could be
Leake
Jones
Gothard
Bedford
Daniels
Peatling
McMullin
Stone
XO
Thomas
Brown

• Plan would be for Daniels and Bedford to be here long term
• Brown really came on last year and still has heaps of growth left
• Jones, Leake and Gothard are first round picks so would assume they have at least 4 years on the list
• XO was playing the best footy of his career before he got injured but picked up a 2 year extension in the meantime
• Stone getting to the end of his rope I imagine
• McMullin playing in his first year is impressive but ultimately they've just brought in 2 guys that play a similar position which they have more invested in so his development could be shifted to the backburner
• Peatling is just sort of there as depth at the moment and with the amount of young guys we have in these roles now it wouldn't surprise me for him be purely last resort in order to get games into the younger lads unless they're completely unready

It's going to be a lot of guys battling for similar spots next year and in the future so will be interesting to see how it all pans out. Would guess Daniels, Bedford, Leake, Gothard and Jones are the core of the group in an ideal world and they cycle depth around them but then again Brown blew me away last year and if the form XO showed before getting injured is real then he might be a part of the group as well. Seems like a move up the ground is inevitable for at least one of them, Leake and Jones would be the candidates imo.

Peatling is a utility, can also play back, has also played back (makes for a good sub option)

I see XO as more of a mid/forward rather than just a forward.

Brown has also spent a lot of time in defence, but given his year this year, you’d probably keep him forward from now on.

Leake apparently can play anywhere too, maybe look to develop him as a linking winger if he has (or can develop) the tank (can’t be any worse than Angwin)

Thomas is so far down the list it’s unlikely you need to factor him in for at least 2 or 3 years

Gothard & McMullin are young - Toby isn’t. A couple of years with occasional games and then perfectly primed to step in when needed down the track.

whichever way you look at it, we’re in good shape

 

[Hendo_21]

Leake, if he becomes a backman rather than mid, will free Pez up to play midfield which we know he can do.

Are we sure Perryman can play midfield? He was underwhelming when he started the year there and eventually moved out, might've been a down patch for him but what he showed at the start of the season wasn't good enough to be played mainly as a mid.

 

[Orange crush]

Are we sure Perryman can play midfield? He was underwhelming when he started the year there and eventually moved out, might've been a down patch for him but what he showed at the start of the season wasn't good enough to be played mainly as a mid.

He's played well in the midfield before. He did tear his hammy first 5 minutes of the season so was behind things cming back from injury (he still averaged 20 touches and 6.5 tackles in the midfield after his injury) ... I think being shifted around takes time to get used to, but I would back him in if he moved there long term

 

[Hendo_21]

He's played well in the midfield before. He did tear his hammy first 5 minutes of the season so was behind things cming back from injury (he still averaged 20 touches and 6.5 tackles in the midfield after his injury) ... I think being shifted around takes time to get used to, but I would back him in if he moved there long term

Yeah maybe, he looked better in there under McVeigh so willing to give it another go, his numbers might've looked ok (not that impressive) but he didn't pass the eye test as someone who was really effective inside.

 

[PaythePerryman]

Are we sure Perryman can play midfield? He was underwhelming when he started the year there and eventually moved out, might've been a down patch for him but what he showed at the start of the season wasn't good enough to be played mainly as a mid.

Perryman is just too good in that back 6. He balanced Ash and Whitfield's run out with a defensive mindset. I think that's what let him usurp Cumming who wasn't having a bad time in the back line. I can see Cumming transitioning to full time wing this preseason.

My point about Leake playing mid/back isn't that he will take anyone's spot....I just think it's a good place to start the apprenticeship. Ideally he has scope to be a genuine mid.

 

[Orange crush]

Yeah maybe, he looked better in there under McVeigh so willing to give it another go, his numbers might've looked ok (not that impressive) but he didn't pass the eye test as someone who was really effective inside.

Mate, not saying we have to move him in there, but it could be an option if we find Leake is better down back than in the midfield ... it could be that someone else moves or Rowston comes on leaps and bounds. Just highlighting the flexibility it provides.

 

[gee whiz giant]

Perryman is just too good in that back 6.

Who can forget the Crows game in ADL where Pez riled up the showboat Josh Rachele so much that he got dragged, and suspended. & the Giants won away.