2009 Finals Or Bust - Wallace

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Just getting it out there nice and early. Yesterday Wallace conceeded that for him to continue as Richmond coach next season we would have to make the finals.

RICHMOND'S Terry Wallace will coach out his contract next year, a season he concedes must extend to September for him to continue.

Amid a backdrop of continuing speculation about his hold on the senior coaching role, Wallace said yesterday the club had made big gains this year.
Wallace said he was keen to coach in 2010, but knew it would take his first finals performance to achieve that aim.
The club's ugly loss to Adelaide on Sunday, which effectively ended its finals aspirations, renewed speculation Wallace might be pushed aside before next season.
But the Richmond board will hold firm, seemingly content with the side's rapid improvement after the club finished 16th last year.
As Richmond president Gary March told the Herald Sun on the eve of the season - "the expectation for Terry is more where we believe the list is at" - than ladder position.

The board's position has not changed, even if it has spoken to several high-profile potential coaches and former Richmond players about assistant coaching positions.
It is understood the club's powerbrokers have no intention of doing anything drastic such as removing Wallace, even if the team's form tails off.
Wallace yesterday backed that view emphatically when asked if he deserved to coach next year.
"I don't even have to go down that pathway," he said.
"I am contracted to coach next year, so that is where I sit. I have never once spoken or thought about extensions.
"I have always been more comfortable with doing the five years, and working out where the club sits at that point in time."
Wallace knows he will have to make the finals with his improving side if he is to have a chance of receiving a contract extension.
"Yeah, absolutely. And that (scrutiny) will be the case," he said.
"After a five-year period, why wouldn't that be the case?
"We have got to be mature enough to deal with it. We are all big boys. That is exactly where I sit, so I don't shy away from that at all."
Wallace was rightfully dismissive of suggestions that the Tigers had not improved significantly this year.
The club has not beaten the teams in the top eight, and Wallace said that showed where it sat -- mid-pack.
"I am not interested in talkback callers . . . and websites," he said. "It is not particularly where I get my information from.
"We have key performance indicators like everyone, and our KPIs are clearly better.
"We had a shocking year last year. On a basic win-loss principle, our change would be as high as anyone's in the competition.
"If most people were honest, if they didn't have us 16th, they had us 15th or 14th.
"We have done better than most of the critics thought we would do.
"It's not where we want to be, but the graph is heading in the right direction."

 

[NQTIGER]

Just getting it out there nice and early. Yesterday Wallace conceeded that for him to continue as Richmond coach next season we would have to make the finals.

Is he Gone???????

 

[smasha]

Well said Terry Wallace.

 

[Peter SasseGum]

Great work by Wallace to come out on the front foot, and set the expectation now for 2009.
The 5 year plan has Richmond challenging for a Top4 position, so making the finals next year shouldn't be an issue, and is all part of the vision set by TW when he came to the club.

He is now reinstating the point, and letting the whole football world know what to expect from Richmond in 2009

Well done to TW for setting the expectation early at Richmond, while reinforcing the importance of sticking to the magnificient vision he set for the club upon his appointment

 

[Sausage roll]

It's not where we want to be, but the graph is heading in the right direction."


That is exactly what he said after 2006 when it looked like we were improving but obviously fell away badly last year.

Heaven help us if we get any injuries again!

 

[Tigertom]

A leopard never changes hs spots

"I am contracted to coach next year, so that is where I sit."

I suspect this is what he told the Bulldogs board too?

We don't want a coach who's sole game plan is to play finals. We have a young list that is screaming out for someone to take them to the next level. This will result in finals footy and thats what we all want isn't it?

The members, players and fans deserve a coach who's committed to one thing, success - LONG TERM. I would hate to see TW recruit and trade experienced players .(Kerr, Cousins, Brown, McMahon's mates etc.) to solely get us into the finals next year and risk the long term result.

For me it is give TW a get out offer at seasons end, and plan now for the next coach of this great (success starved) club RICHMOND.

IMO, we could do far worse than offer Guy Mckenna the assistant role next year with the view of replacing TW should he not deliver next year or walk out mid season when he realises we won't make the finals.

 

[Tigertom]

Great work by Wallace to come out on the front foot, and set the expectation now for 2009.
The 5 year plan has Richmond challenging for a Top4 position, so making the finals next year shouldn't be an issue, and is all part of the vision set by TW when he came to the club.

He is now reinstating the point, and letting the whole football world know what to expect from Richmond in 2009

Well done to TW for setting the expectation early at Richmond, while reinforcing the importance of sticking to the magnificient vision he set for the club upon his appointment

CHRKEY, you would believe anything mate.

TW the greatest spin doctor in history

 

[CoggaRules]

read this this morning. Ok then we wait and see. But TW, one thing you should have added to the mix ontop of making finals. Making finals can mean falling into 8th by default. How about you up the ante and suggest we will notch up at least 1 win against a top 4 side, or at least 2 wins against a top 8 side. Not to hard a task is it?
As for March's suggestion that the club will be reviewing the list management, rather than the win/loss ratio. Can March explain to the tigerheads why Miller was sacked please? I mean, assess list management and Miller sacked kind of says that the review of the list has already been done and it has been given a big fat F, hasnt it?

 

[thecotch]

read this this morning. Ok then we wait and see. But TW, one thing you should have added to the mix ontop of making finals. Making finals can mean falling into 8th by default. How about you up the ante and suggest we will notch up at least 1 win against a top 4 side, or at least 2 wins against a top 8 side. Not to hard a task is it?
As for March's suggestion that the club will be reviewing the list management, rather than the win/loss ratio. Can March explain to the tigerheads why Miller was sacked please? I mean, assess list management and Miller sacked kind of says that the review of the list has already been done and it has been given a big fat F, hasnt it?

Fair to say we have been almost uncompetitive against the top 8 sides this year.

 

[CoggaRules]

Fair to say we have been almost uncompetitive against the top 8 sides this year.

this year?....take a look at the last 4 years dude...it might dawn on you how "non improved" we are. TW has played this perfectly. He has coached us from mediocrity to dismal then brought us back to the same mediocrity, and goes around suggesting the "KPIs" show we have improved....we need to be real careful with this dude..

 

[Jurica Stockade]

Awesome, cant wait for all the retreads he will draft for next season just to keep his sorry ass in a job.

The new football manger and CC better not allow this to happen, if they do,the RFC will never get 1 more cent out of me.

I pay membership for a reason, and that reason is not to see Terry scrape us into finals like Spud did with retreads, I want to see our own develop and play consistently in finals, but it just doesnt seem to be happening with Terry.

I'ts twice now where we have had big games for the club this year and he has failed, this tells me he cant get the group up for big games.

 

[diligaf]

read this this morning. Ok then we wait and see. But TW, one thing you should have added to the mix ontop of making finals. Making finals can mean falling into 8th by default. How about you up the ante and suggest we will notch up at least 1 win against a top 4 side, or at least 2 wins against a top 8 side. Not to hard a task is it?
As for March's suggestion that the club will be reviewing the list management, rather than the win/loss ratio. Can March explain to the tigerheads why Miller was sacked please? I mean, assess list management and Miller sacked kind of says that the review of the list has already been done and it has been given a big fat F, hasnt it?

Could not agree with you more! Scraping into the final 8 is one thing, but actually winning a September Blockbuster is what he should be really aiming for! Scraping into the 8 with 12 wins then being smashed by 60 points in the '09 Qualifying Final will not be enough and deemed unacceptable!!!

 

[thecotch]

this year?....take a look at the last 4 years dude...it might dawn on you how "non improved" we are. TW has played this perfectly. He has coached us from mediocrity to dismal then brought us back to the same mediocrity, and goes around suggesting the "KPIs" show we have improved....we need to be real careful with this dude..

Yeah agreed. My point was directed at this year more so than last because last year was just crud and not even worth discussing. Sure this year we've won some games and it's definately a good thing but when it comes to matching it with the big boys in the eight we were shown to be light years away and thrown around like rag dolls.

 

[CoggaRules]

Yeah agreed. My point was directed at this year more so than last because last year was just crud and not even worth discussing. Sure this year we've won some games and it's definately a good thing but when it comes to matching it with the big boys in the eight we were shown to be light years away and thrown around like rag dolls.

but the KPIs show we have improved dude....so we are on a roll....between KPIs , the TV screen in the coaches box and the radio that he listens to, to get ideas from the commentators that he "might" have missed out on, we are smoking.

 

[thecotch]

but the KPIs show we have improved dude....so we are on a roll....between KPIs , the TV screen in the coaches box and the radio that he listens to, to get ideas from the commentators that he "might" have missed out on, we are smoking.

Don't forget the graph. He's pulled it out again after it went missing for 2 years. Tha graph now is basically where it was when he took over. 4 years of nothingness. I'm so waiting for 2011 with great anticipation.

 

[Sixtyseven]

Very clear from yesterday's comments that Wallace's key focus is mostly on his contract and his future, rather than on the team.

To state that we are not a wet weather side is also a very clear reflection on how far he has (n't) brought the player group.

With Richo, Johnson, Brown, Bowden, Simmonds and others, either approaching or already in their twilight years, please tell me exactly who we can build a future around?

It was patently clear from Sunday's pathetic effort that our leadership stocks are miserable. Who are going to stand up as the primary leadership group for the future? The back half (Newman, Thursfield, McGuane, Moore) have become good solid or average players, but I certainly don't believe that Delidio, Tambling, Foley have made enough progress yet to rate them as our future "gun" leaders. And Riewoldt, Morton & Hughes show promise, but will take time.

The future just isn't as rosy as some, including the spin doctor, would have us believe.

 

[Tigerman20]

The fact is when TW took over the as coach in 2005 we had a lot of older players. Now we have youth.

Thats the difference we between now and the end of 2006.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Awesome, cant wait for all the retreads he will draft for next season just to keep his sorry ass in a job.

The new football manger and CC better not allow this to happen, if they do,the RFC will never get 1 more cent out of me.

I pay membership for a reason, and that reason is not to see Terry scrape us into finals like Spud did with retreads, I want to see our own develop and play consistently in finals, but it just doesnt seem to be happening with Terry.

I'ts twice now where we have had big games for the club this year and he has failed, this tells me he cant get the group up for big games.

This is the key. They need to be all over Wallace like smug on a Hawthorn fan. Tell him he can be sacked between seasons if he doesn't make long term decisions. Actually, don't even let him make recruiting decisions. He's had four years to "shape the list", now it's time to deliver. We're not expecting miracles, just a sign that the team is capable of mixing it with the big boys. We're yet to see that.

 

[Tigertom]

The new football manger and CC better not allow this to happen, if they do,the RFC will never get 1 more cent out of me.

This is how arrogant March and co are though, they don't care much about a few dozen BIG FOOTY bloggers and their opinions. They will succumb to TW's spin about mixing some "retreads" in the side to get results (short term ones too I might add) because their arse's are on the line too.

TW has done nobody any favours by comming out and saying what he did because he has an escape plan. A few early losses a few injuries and.....Oh we have been unlucky, we will be in position for a shot at a flag in 2011......BLA BLA BLA.

I dont trust Wallace, I dont trust March and I dont trust the rest of the board who will use TW's 2009 result as a scapegoat.

 

[JSFish]

The fact is when TW took over the as coach in 2005 we had a lot of older players. Now we have youth.

Thats the difference we between now and the end of 2006.

Hang around please matey. We need more people who have some sort of idea what they are talking about.

Do people honestly think Terry will just completely stock up on older/experienced players to get us to one finals series next year so he can keep his job?
3 things about that:
1) Do you not think that the rest of the club would notice what he was doing?
2) Have you not considered that - like a number of posters here - he actually sees a future with the side we've got?
3) What next? He looks after the short-term future, gets offered another year or two, then the side falls away because we haven't planned long-term and he gets sacked. Do you think he's that desperate to ensure another one or two years at the club - followed by a large chance of the side going to the shit and him losing his job - that he would not take the risk of going with the (good, promising) young team that we have now, which could give him a possible job for many years to come instead?

 

[Tigertom]

Hang around please matey. We need more people who have some sort of idea what they are talking about.

Do people honestly think Terry will just completely stock up on older/experienced players to get us to one finals series next year so he can keep his job?
3 things about that:
1) Do you not think that the rest of the club would notice what he was doing?
2) Have you not considered that - like a number of posters here - he actually sees a future with the side we've got?
3) What next? He looks after the short-term future, gets offered another year or two, then the side falls away because we haven't planned long-term and he gets sacked. Do you think he's that desperate to ensure another one or two years at the club - followed by a large chance of the side going to the shit and him losing his job - that he would not take the risk of going with the (good, promising) young team that we have now, which could give him a possible job for many years to come instead?

This maybe from left field but I can see TW going all out to make finals next year before hanging up the boots at year end.

If TW was looking beyond 09 he would not be stating that its "Finals or Bust in 09". He would be sticking to his 5 year plan (which has changed along the way) and pushing for an extention beyond next year would he not?

 

[JSFish]

Did the 5 year plan not include finals in 09?

 

[tiggytrain]

Don't forget the graph. He's pulled it out again after it went missing for 2 years. Tha graph now is basically where it was when he took over. 4 years of nothingness. I'm so waiting for 2011 with great anticipation.

Fair to say, the list is better than 4 years ago
Our list now actually has a future with a few tweaks

 

[Tigertom]

Did the 5 year plan not include finals in 09?

One would have thought it would eh?

I would have thought finals this year and contending for them last year would have been in the plan too, but.............

I suppose if we sneak into eighth next year the TW will expect to be chaired off like a three hundread gamer eh?

crikey the guy could sell ice to eskimos!

 

[Sole]

Very clear from yesterday's comments that Wallace's key focus is mostly on his contract and his future, rather than on the team.

To state that we are not a wet weather side is also a very clear reflection on how far he has (n't) brought the player group.

With Richo, Johnson, Brown, Bowden, Simmonds and others, either approaching or already in their twilight years, please tell me exactly who we can build a future around?

It was patently clear from Sunday's pathetic effort that our leadership stocks are miserable. Who are going to stand up as the primary leadership group for the future? The back half (Newman, Thursfield, McGuane, Moore) have become good solid or average players, but I certainly don't believe that Delidio, Tambling, Foley have made enough progress yet to rate them as our future "gun" leaders. And Riewoldt, Morton & Hughes show promise, but will take time.

The future just isn't as rosy as some, including the spin doctor, would have us believe.

Good post, to many people hype up players based on draft positions etc. At some of the earlier posters...i really REALLY doubt this is where wallet envisioned you guys, he said two years ago or whatever when you finished 9th that the bulldogs did the same thing then went to the finals, you then finished 16th. That said you do have some good young talent coming through, but i really doubt that next year is gonna be a breakout year, i think 2010 is probably more realistic as well...