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Well I guess if you say don’t chicken out then I can’t chicken out. Glad we have established we are both in Year 8.

All good - the truth hurts sometimes. Dont worry, you guys will bounce back.

Why would we have done that anyway? Like, I don’t think that was ever brought up as a thing we might do.

Has apparently told Hawthorn no.

No, no no, nope, no no. Rather Goldstein for a bit of run off half back than Shiel.

I also am a fan. The knock on him (outside of injuries) is he is as slow as a wet week. Melbourne are just he perfect team to play against as their midfield can’t take advantage of that. I doubt west coast would either. But whether he could play a role against Collingwood would be a more...

Yep, certainly need to keep him now. Bryan going down really makes that decision easy. Can we give him very good money for 4 years though instead of the standard 6? There’s only so many 5-6+ year contract mistakes a club can make.

He couldn’t…

The ?? around this for mine are: 1) I don’t think Melbourne will finish 17th. They’re no good, but also in awful form to start here. A 12th-type finish wouldn’t surprise me. 2) I think it’s odds on that Draper stays. Even if he were to leave, band 2 (end of first round) seems more likely. 3)...

I am genuinely doubting if you know that there are 17 other teams in the comp.

They well might, but then that is silly for us, or anyone for that matter, to pay that price.

I wanna see Menzie kick 9.

My condolences to you all for being equally compelled to watch this game as us. Over recent years we seem to have mimicked each others game style, simply with our team having less talent. While the league moves to high pressure, good skills, fast ball movement, we equally seem to have...

Neither of which are a point I made. Draper would be coming in to be an upgrade as #1 ruck. And never mentioned contract wise or salary. I think he’d be more likely to generate band 2, end of first round compensation. Which would be interesting. Regardless, all likely a mundane talking...

You’re 1/3. His tank is not up to par, correct. He’s an above average ruckman however when he’s in there, which makes probably maxes out at about 70% of a game. His forward craft has come a mile from not really a factor to now you need to allocate a decent defender to him. At Adelaide, he’d...

You’re not too bright are you?

Agreed. On our trade, even though currently it looks great for us, I don’t think that automatically means it’s been bad for Melbourne. They traded away what looks to be a high pick this year, for a high pick last year to get the guy they wanted - who looks good. Even if it ends up being...

Unfortunately I think we might be quite a few games behind all year.

Maybe doesn’t, maybe does belong in the “non” Essendon thread, but you could make a case for us being the 3rd worst team. I said preseason that the only teams that you could confidently say we are better than are Richmond and west coast. We’re in the next tier. That doesn’t make us a...

Agreed - genuinely hasn’t kicked a goal in over a week now.

He kicked 3 as a wingman running forward and beating his man to the spot. Different story playing as a forward with a defender assigned to you than as a mid/wing running forward. Having said that, I don't really have a preferred position for Cox at this point. Happy to try it.

Running out of options a little bit here. We almost have to play small up forward out of necessity, which is nice. I think you're behind the times if you're not playing 3 small forwards these days, and I'm not sure we would be if we were fully fit. Kako, Gresham and raffle the last spot between...

I don’t think they should tbh. It’s not the nice thing to say, or the thing anyone wants to say. Maybe the day he’s literally done his acl isn’t the right time to say it either. But he’s already 23? 25? 24? Can’t remember exactly. He’s now going to miss a whole season, and the season after...

Good thing he’s a free agent then.

He’s welcome to do that from the wing, pushing into the backline and then providing run out of there. As an actual defender and those instincts, he’s got a long way to go.

Wonder if the issues surrounding Ben's sibling could be impacting him?

Nic Martin is as good of a player as Reid straight up. Okay, now that we’re at equally opposite points of unreasonableness, the negotiation can begin.

I mean, great? Even if we do, genuinely, what does that mean for us? (I know this is a very defeatist/pessimsitic outlook). Port are better than us, full stop. Maybe we get a few lucky bounces, a few lucky calls. Maybe a few guys play their best game of the season, and a few port guys are...

Which/how many draft leagues do you have him in?