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Analysis Mental Weakness
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To each their own but I feel it's more that some fans expectations don't align with where we're at as a side or as individuals.
We have players show a bit of promise & suddenly they're viewed as integral parts of our side (Moir) or spoken of as if they're on the cusp of being the best player in the comp (TDK).
On exposed form we're capable of brilliant & deplorable footy, it's nothing new & tonight is unfortunately an example of the latter.
We have players show a bit of promise & suddenly they're viewed as integral parts of our side (Moir) or spoken of as if they're on the cusp of being the best player in the comp (TDK).
On exposed form we're capable of brilliant & deplorable footy, it's nothing new & tonight is unfortunately an example of the latter.
Would it then be fair to say that the much vaunted rebuild of 2015 has failed to reach expectations …
They panicked last night from implied pressure, even when there was none. Absolutely shat ourselves vs a bunch of Richmond kids.
Just lol
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I think mental weakness is linked to not being fully match fit - tiggies applied pressure and we started fumbling because our bodies appeared too tired and couldn't do what we want it to do - either tired or wrong players being selected.
I only saw the highlights but the doc fumble which end up as a tiggies goal and the one where haynes and acres (?) near the boundary line fumbled and a tiggies player beat both and delivered the ball to one of the forwards who scored.
Tiggies scored two critical goals at critical times both due to what seemed like our players bodies not holding up.
I only saw the highlights but the doc fumble which end up as a tiggies goal and the one where haynes and acres (?) near the boundary line fumbled and a tiggies player beat both and delivered the ball to one of the forwards who scored.
Tiggies scored two critical goals at critical times both due to what seemed like our players bodies not holding up.
In both instances they just panicked imo, both were 2 on 1s that should have been an easy clear or absolute worst case a ball up.
Sickening.
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My own experience in playing sport has been that the fitter I've been the less i panick and fumble.
I am convinced mental strength and fitness/body strength/endurance are linked.
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That'd probably come down to the individuals perspective of the rebuild.
Personally, I've never felt it was as great as it was hyped. We've a top heavy side, a bloated cap & a lack of meaningful contributors beyond the usual suspects.
Moving forward, the questions I have are:
Whether we'd be better cashing in on 1 or 2 big ticket players to better balance our squad & extending our potential window of contention.
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Does retaining TDK on monster money make us better?
For the money he's after you could get a Nankervis/Marshall & another player.
Anyway, prob not the place for it.
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Organisational strength is under rated - what are we trying to achieve, what is my role, who will support, who can i support...?
We lacked cohesion last night - reacted as individuals rather than playing proactively a team with a sound competitive system.
I think last nights' mental frailty was more about poor organisation, rather than poor physical fitness.
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Agree on your points as well.
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They're SOFT! When you try to assess whether Voss can Coach, you can consider his attributes as a Player and 'soft' wasn't one of them. The initial Brisbane stint as Coach where he was tough seems to mean that he has relegated this 'strength' in favour of the cute.
After a loss like Thursday's, Jezza would have flogged them on the track but of course we have the modern genius scientists dictating the management to the detriment of 'man management'. (as an aside, why do guys who have just kicked a goal get taken off - what ever happened to the purple patch?).
Voss needs to become more like a Voss not the PC version his stint at Brisbane made him.
Players need to meet higher expectations and the power-balance needs to reverse.
Blaming the Conditioning Dept for last year just panders to the players' sense of entitlement. Whatever happened to next man up?
Soft. Soft. Soft.
Harden the **** up!
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We are too good to lose and too ordinary to win, it's no wonder it messes with our heads. Whenever we do well, we think the hard work is already done for us and we take our foot off the pedal. That's with both list management, games and coaching appointments, etc.
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Yes, because it was rushed from the outset. The plan from the horse's mouth was to "hasten" the rebuild, as if that is even a thing.
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I thought the days of getting overrun after establishing a lead were gone, clearly not the case after Thursday night.
At the ground, I said to my daughter that once Carlton made a few howlers, and Rich kicked a few goals to get back in it, you could almost see the fear or doubt in the players eyes and the errors and lack of system snowballed. To me, that's all between the ears and a lack of awareness of what to do to stop the rot.
As has been stated, this is not new, there is a body of evidence to show that when the screws are applied, more often than not, we go to water.
At the ground, I said to my daughter that once Carlton made a few howlers, and Rich kicked a few goals to get back in it, you could almost see the fear or doubt in the players eyes and the errors and lack of system snowballed. To me, that's all between the ears and a lack of awareness of what to do to stop the rot.
As has been stated, this is not new, there is a body of evidence to show that when the screws are applied, more often than not, we go to water.
I think you're over rating us a wee tad. We have beaten West Coast and North in the last 8 months. To the contrary, I'm certain many teams would be salivating at the prospect of playing us.
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This not a troll…
I think you are to reliant on Cripps, and in order to improve you need to shift him forward. You need to spread the load in the midfield, too many players sit back and wait for Cripps to win the ball.
I think you are to reliant on Cripps, and in order to improve you need to shift him forward. You need to spread the load in the midfield, too many players sit back and wait for Cripps to win the ball.
Valid point!
Not sure we need to move him totally, but less center bounces make sense. The issue is we don't have that grunt player ready to step in and if we play a 2nd grunt player, it slows us down even more.
Walsh not going at 100% (and probably never will again) hurts and our HF's are not great!
Don't think the name of this thread is apt for a number of reasons
Mods, could it be changed to:
"Conditional or Unconditional" ?
Mods, could it be changed to:
"Conditional or Unconditional" ?
They’re different things
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The title is accurate. Our football team has repeatedly shown mental weakness.
Being conditional/unconditional is an aspect of your mentality, so could certainly be discussed here.
Everything I've seen in footy points to limited scope to improve mental strength. Some players have it, others don't. Those who don't might go on hot patches, particularly if in a strong team, but it's not sustainable long term.
I believe there is underlying metal weakness running through this entire football club and it’s culture over the past 20 years.
Carlton sides of the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s and 90’s would never (extremely rarely) be over run in such a fashion as we were last Thursday.
Most teams would fold up like a cheap tent against us during those days, thus was the ruthlessness and reputation we had.
Our reputation since 2002 holds that no club fears us in any way.
The Cats had such a reputation for mental fragility up until 2006.
It takes a long time to build a reputation again and it only takes a moment like last Thursday night to expose ourselves as the mentally fragile weaklings we are.
Yes I know, one we are guessing, the other we can see the intent or lack thereof
if its spelt correctly well then its accurate
What measure are you judging this by, have you sat down with an individual or group to determine their mental state?
Surely there are better measures
Probably more appropriate I'd say, as at least we can assess with slightly more evidence rather making assumptions
Personally, I think it's rather inappropriate.
We have a thread on this board regarding mental health, it would be pretty poor if we started calling out posters or factions as mentally weak
Just a thought
I don't have the words to properly describe how much I agree with this statement
I'd say the club, moreso the players have floated from being confident in our halcyon days, to arrogant not wanting to embrace change, to now being conditional/selfish/fragile
