Analysis Season 2024 - Statistics and Analytics Thread

[knaf]

Comprehensive, data driven and concerning:

How the two most important kicks in football are letting the Brisbane Lions down

With just two wins from seven starts this season, the Brisbane Lions need to nail the fundamentals if they are to turn around their fortunes, writes Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson.

www.abc.net.au

Great to read such in depth data driven analysts. Really shows where we are falling down.

Good to see Fletcher improving in such a critical role. As you say really need McKenna firing. I hope to see at least two or three effective in side 50 kicks from Reville today.

And Fages, I hate to be a BigFooty knaf, but we need a more effective third tall forward option than Gardiner.

 

[rye]

Really need McKenna to fire. Has had a few weeks to get back into the swing of things.

last week was his first game back in the seniors

 

[Nunez]

last week was his first game back in the seniors

I'm aware. I was at the VFL game the week prior and he struggled as much as he did at AFL level.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Not a great look for Zorko who’s kicking up the field has looked good

I've posed this question to the author, who is normally pretty responsive. My hypothesis is he is kicking from further out this season, hence the entries are lower percentage. Still, the drop-off is stark.

 

[Jivlain]

Quarter	Time	Off	On
1		Noah Answerth, Logan Morris, Kai Lohmann, Harry Sharp, Jarrod Berry 7 Jarrod Berry Age 26 Ht 192cm Wt 89kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 17.4 4star K 8.5 3star HB 8.9 5star M 3.9 4star T 4.2 5star CL 2.7 4star D 17.0 4star K 9.4 4star HB 7.6 4star M 3.6 4star T 5.1 5star CL 2.9 4star D 10.6 3star K 4.4 2star HB 6.2 4star M 1.8 2star T 2.8 5star CL 0.8 3star
	6m	Darcy Wilmot, Lincoln McCarthy	Noah Answerth, Kai Lohmann
	7m	Hugh McCluggage, Bruce Reville	Jarrod Berry, Harry Sharp
	10m	Lachie Neale, Dayne Zorko 15 Dayne Zorko Age 35 Ht 175cm Wt 77kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 21.4 5star K 13.2 5star HB 8.2 5star M 3.6 4star T 6.0 5star CL 3.6 5star D 14.0 3star K 9.0 4star HB 5.0 3star M 2.0 2star T 5.0 5star CL 2.0 4star D 16.4 4star K 9.8 4star HB 6.6 4star M 5.2 5star T 6.6 5star CL 1.2 4star	Hugh McCluggage, Darcy Wilmot
	13m	Oscar McInerney, Conor McKenna	Bruce Reville, Logan Morris
	15m	Charlie Cameron	Dayne Zorko
	16m	Joe Daniher, Jack Payne	Oscar McInerney, Conor McKenna
	17m	Cam Rayner	Lachie Neale
	18m	Jaspa Fletcher	Charlie Cameron
	20m	Josh Dunkley	Cam Rayner
	21m	Ryan Lester, Darcy Gardiner 27 Darcy Gardiner Age 28 Ht 192cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 12.6 3star K 7.4 3star HB 5.2 4star M 4.1 4star T 2.1 4star MG 196.1 3star D 10.7 3star K 7.9 3star HB 2.9 2star M 3.7 4star T 2.1 3star MG 196.1 3star D 10.2 3star K 6.0 3star HB 4.2 4star M 3.6 4star T 1.8 4star	Joe Daniher, Jack Payne
	24m	Harry Sharp, Noah Answerth	Ryan Lester, Jaspa Fletcher
	26m	Jarrod Berry, Eric Hipwood 30 Eric Hipwood Age 26 Ht 203cm Wt 94kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 10.0 3star K 7.4 3star HB 2.6 2star M 3.9 4star T 1.3 3star G 1.5 5star D 11.1 3star K 8.4 3star HB 2.7 2star M 4.1 4star T 1.1 2star G 1.1 5star D 10.6 3star K 8.4 4star HB 2.2 2star M 3.6 4star T 1.6 4star G 2.4 5star	Josh Dunkley, Darcy Gardiner 27 Darcy Gardiner Age 28 Ht 192cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 12.6 3star K 7.4 3star HB 5.2 4star M 4.1 4star T 2.1 4star MG 196.1 3star D 10.7 3star K 7.9 3star HB 2.9 2star M 3.7 4star T 2.1 3star MG 196.1 3star D 10.2 3star K 6.0 3star HB 4.2 4star M 3.6 4star T 1.8 4star
2		Cam Rayner, Darcy Wilmot	Jarrod Berry, Harry Sharp
	1m	Logan Morris	Eric Hipwood
	7m	Bruce Reville	Cam Rayner
	9m	Darcy Gardiner	Logan Morris
	10m	Jaspa Fletcher	Darcy Wilmot
	12m	Hugh McCluggage	Bruce Reville
	14m	Lachie Neale	Hugh McCluggage
	15m	Jarrod Berry, Dayne Zorko 15 Dayne Zorko Age 35 Ht 175cm Wt 77kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 21.4 5star K 13.2 5star HB 8.2 5star M 3.6 4star T 6.0 5star CL 3.6 5star D 14.0 3star K 9.0 4star HB 5.0 3star M 2.0 2star T 5.0 5star CL 2.0 4star D 16.4 4star K 9.8 4star HB 6.6 4star M 5.2 5star T 6.6 5star CL 1.2 4star	Jaspa Fletcher, Lachie Neale 9 Lachie Neale Age 30 Ht 178cm Wt 84kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 27.0 5star K 11.5 4star HB 15.5 5star M 4.0 4star T 3.7 5star CL 5.9 5star D 28.3 5star K 13.9 5star HB 14.4 5star M 4.6 4star T 4.0 5star CL 5.9 5star D 12.0 3star K 4.6 2star HB 7.4 5star M 2.0 3star T 1.0 3star CL 0.4 3star
	17m	Jack Payne	Dayne Zorko
	21m	Conor McKenna	Jack Payne
	22m	Josh Dunkley	Jarrod Berry
	26m	Logan Morris	Josh Dunkley
3		Jaspa Fletcher	Conor McKenna
	6m	Bruce Reville, Ryan Lester 35 Ryan Lester Age 31 Ht 192cm Wt 84kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 14.9 4star K 7.9 3star HB 7.0 4star M 3.9 4star T 2.7 4star MG 170.4 3star D 10.3 3star K 5.8 2star HB 4.5 3star M 2.7 3star T 1.5 2star MG 140.7 3star D 12.6 4star K 6.8 3star HB 5.8 4star M 3.8 4star T 0.6 3star	Jaspa Fletcher, Logan Morris
	11m	Lachie Neale, Dayne Zorko 15 Dayne Zorko Age 35 Ht 175cm Wt 77kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 21.4 5star K 13.2 5star HB 8.2 5star M 3.6 4star T 6.0 5star CL 3.6 5star D 14.0 3star K 9.0 4star HB 5.0 3star M 2.0 2star T 5.0 5star CL 2.0 4star D 16.4 4star K 9.8 4star HB 6.6 4star M 5.2 5star T 6.6 5star CL 1.2 4star	Ryan Lester, Bruce Reville
	14m	Bruce Reville	Lachie Neale
	16m	Conor McKenna	Dayne Zorko
	20m	Harris Andrews	Conor McKenna
	25m	Jarrod Berry, Charlie Cameron 23 Charlie Cameron Age 29 Ht 180cm Wt 76kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 12.1 3star K 8.4 3star HB 3.7 3star M 3.0 3star T 3.2 5star G 1.5 5star D 9.6 2star K 7.9 3star HB 1.7 1star M 3.6 4star T 1.7 3star G 1.9 5star D 9.6 3star K 5.4 2star HB 4.2 4star M 1.4 2star T 3.4 5star G 1.2 4star	Bruce Reville, Harris Andrews 31 Harris Andrews Age 27 Ht 202cm Wt 98kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 12.8 3star K 7.4 3star HB 5.4 4star M 5.6 5star T 1.6 4star MG 151.7 2star D 17.0 4star K 9.0 4star HB 8.0 4star M 4.0 4star T 2.0 3star D 9.8 3star K 5.0 2star HB 4.8 4star M 3.4 4star T 1.6 4star MG 94.0 2star
	27m	Bruce Reville	Jarrod Berry
4		Logan Morris, Conor McKenna	Charlie Cameron, Bruce Reville
	5m	Bruce Reville, Jaspa Fletcher	Logan Morris, Conor McKenna
	8m	Jarrod Berry	Jaspa Fletcher
	12m	Logan Morris	Bruce Reville
	18m	Bruce Reville	Jarrod Berry
	20m	Cam Rayner	Logan Morris
	25m	Logan Morris	Cam Rayner

 

[KissKiss]

Quarter	Time	Off	On
1		Noah Answerth, Logan Morris, Kai Lohmann, Harry Sharp, Jarrod Berry
	6m	Darcy Wilmot, Lincoln McCarthy	Noah Answerth, Kai Lohmann
	7m	Hugh McCluggage, Bruce Reville	Jarrod Berry, Harry Sharp
	10m	Lachie Neale, Dayne Zorko	Hugh McCluggage, Darcy Wilmot
	13m	Oscar McInerney, Conor McKenna	Bruce Reville, Logan Morris
	15m	Charlie Cameron	Dayne Zorko
	16m	Joe Daniher, Jack Payne	Oscar McInerney, Conor McKenna
	17m	Cam Rayner	Lachie Neale
	18m	Jaspa Fletcher	Charlie Cameron
	20m	Josh Dunkley	Cam Rayner
	21m	Ryan Lester, Darcy Gardiner	Joe Daniher, Jack Payne
	24m	Harry Sharp, Noah Answerth	Ryan Lester, Jaspa Fletcher
	26m	Jarrod Berry, Eric Hipwood	Josh Dunkley, Darcy Gardiner
2		Cam Rayner, Darcy Wilmot	Jarrod Berry, Harry Sharp
	1m	Logan Morris	Eric Hipwood
	7m	Bruce Reville	Cam Rayner
	9m	Darcy Gardiner	Logan Morris
	10m	Jaspa Fletcher	Darcy Wilmot
	12m	Hugh McCluggage	Bruce Reville
	14m	Lachie Neale	Hugh McCluggage
	15m	Jarrod Berry, Dayne Zorko	Jaspa Fletcher, Lachie Neale
	17m	Jack Payne	Dayne Zorko
	21m	Conor McKenna	Jack Payne
	22m	Josh Dunkley	Jarrod Berry
	26m	Logan Morris	Josh Dunkley
3		Jaspa Fletcher	Conor McKenna
	6m	Bruce Reville, Ryan Lester	Jaspa Fletcher, Logan Morris
	11m	Lachie Neale, Dayne Zorko	Ryan Lester, Bruce Reville
	14m	Bruce Reville	Lachie Neale
	16m	Conor McKenna	Dayne Zorko
	20m	Harris Andrews	Conor McKenna
	25m	Jarrod Berry, Charlie Cameron	Bruce Reville, Harris Andrews
	27m	Bruce Reville	Jarrod Berry
4		Logan Morris, Conor McKenna	Charlie Cameron, Bruce Reville
	5m	Bruce Reville, Jaspa Fletcher	Logan Morris, Conor McKenna
	8m	Jarrod Berry	Jaspa Fletcher
	12m	Logan Morris	Bruce Reville
	18m	Bruce Reville	Jarrod Berry
	20m	Cam Rayner	Logan Morris
	25m	Logan Morris	Cam Rayner

Massive effort by a bunch of guys who got almost zero rest after the first quarter. Most of the senior players might have got one rest in the second half

 

[LongLion]

Some more depressing stats about our goalkicking:

Equal 5th best quality of shot, worst conversion:




Three of our players in the bottom six, Charlie the worst for accuracy:

I have a funny feeling that Charlie is regularly getting jabs for his ankles/feet and this may be having a negative effect on his "feel" when kicking for goal. Just a thought.

 

[martinson]

I have a funny feeling that Charlie is regularly getting jabs for his ankles/feet and this may be having a negative effect on his "feel" when kicking for goal. Just a thought.

Correct. He's not right. The look on his face when he kicked the last goal was one of total exhaustion and relief. He could have a slight hammy issue as well.

 

[Tom14]

I reckon Charlie has been pretty hit and miss conversion wise since mid last year. He was pretty good at drop punt set shots from memory but his snaps have been really bad for a while.

But injury could well be making it worse.

 

[martinson]

I reckon Charlie has been pretty hit and miss conversion wise since mid last year. He was pretty good at drop punt set shots from memory but his snaps have been really bad for a while.

But injury could well be making it worse.

Charlie's a bit of a confidence player and when something's not right he struggles .

The good thing is he's doing the team things he can do without thinking and without feeling the pressure of having to kick goals.

I don't know what his conversion rate is on the around the corners but I don't remember too many he's nailed. Set shots he seemed to sort last year as you say now it's just set up for the kick in.

 

[Grasshopper17]

9.30

 

[martinson]

9.30

Well our defence is working really well then isn't it to concede the same number of points when we have gone from creaming it to being virtually unable to score ( comparatively )

 

[Dalions]

9.30

Hit smack bang on our average ‘points’ in Q3 last night didn’t we.

 

[martinson]

Hit smack bang on our average ‘points’ in Q3 last night didn’t we.

9 point wonders.

We've probably done well to win 3 games and when you consider the other 2 we coughed up and the injuries we're going ok.

I'm hoping 2024 proves to be cathartic in that we weathered the storm and come out a lot stronger mentally in 2025 and beyond. Plus finding 3 or 4 young players.

 

[HereIGoAgain]

Counterintuitive but I was a bit relieved that the ball was down our end even with the spate of points kicked in that third quarter. May have contributed to a few of the players further afield getting a bit of a breather.