Yeah fair enough must admit I was in two minds with the Selwood example because he was a freak. Just that year he had with a super team was unbelievable where he would have still been good in crap side just it wouldn't have been noticed as much.I agree with everything your saying but that's probably a bad example lol reckon Selwood was a bit Nathan Jonesy in that he has a great career anywhere. Bloke clearly motivated himself.