2019 LFFL - Round 8

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Round 8: AFL Round 8

South-Eastern Polar Bears (4th) vs. Animals run wild (7th)
The Ladyboys (5th) vs. South West Dragons (6th)
Broome Bears (1st) vs. The Cheetahs (3rd)
City Oval Plovers (2nd) vs. Outback Meerkats (8th)

We are officially into the second half of the season which is remarkable, and the Broome Bears are setting the pace, but have a huge clash with The Cheetahs coming up. City Oval Plovers will look to add another win on the board against the Meerkats, while the wounded Ladyboys sit just percentage ahead of the rising South West Dragons. In the other game, fourth placed South-East Polar Bears will look to potentially take a top three spot with a win, while the Animals will be keen to keep in touch the with top four.

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Note: Updated to reflect SEPB's win over COP last week which was mistakingly put in as the opposite way around.
 
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Back: Michael Hurley
Back: Shannon Hurn
Captains Choice: Jesse Hogan (F)
Forward: Harry McKay
Forward: Jack Gunston
Outside Mid: Shaun Higgins
Inside Mid: Nat Fyfe (VC)
Balanced Mid: Mitch Robinson
Ruck: Max Gawn (C)
Tackler: Hugh Greenwood
Utility: James Harmes

Back: Tom Doedee
Captains Choice: Josh Bruce
Forward: Mitch Brown
Outside Mid: Jack Bowes
Inside Mid: David Myers
Balanced Mid:
Ruck: Brayden Preuss
Tackler: Mitch Robinson
Utility: Tom Liberatore
 
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Arw
Back: Brodie Smith
Back: Christian Salem
Im- Dustin Martin
Om - Jack Macrae - vc
Bm - Luke Parker
Fwd - Toby Greene
Fwd: Jake stringer
Utl - Clayton Oliver
Ruck- Paddy Ryder
Tkl- Elliot Yeo
Cc: Jamie McMillan - back - c

Reserves
Im- Bryce Gibbs
Fwd- Chad Wingard
Ruck- Rory Lobb
Back - Riley Bonner
Cc: Jack Newnes - back
Om- Darcy Parish
Utl-Jack Martin
Bm- Sam Menegola



Out
Billy longer
Tom boyd
Jayden Short
Tom Mcdonald
David swallow
Lachie Whitfield
Jade Gresham
 

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The Cheetahs
B: Wilson, Nathan
B: Harbrow, Jarrod
CC: Hopper, Jacob (IM)
F: Cameron, Jeremy
F: Breust, Luke
BM: Shuey, Luke
IM: Cripps, Patrick (c)
OM: Treloar, Adam
R: Bellchambers, Tom (vc)
T: Dahlhaus, Luke
U: Coniglio, Stephen

Emergencies
B: Crisp, Jack
CC: Conca, Reece (Back)
F: Darling, Jack
BM: Weller, Lachie
IM: Sheed, Dominic
OM: Polec, Jared
R: Clarke, Zac
T: Ziebell, Jack
U: Dumont, Trent

Extras:
Ebert, Brad (Inj)
Wines, Ollie (Inj)
Docherty, Sam (LTI)
Miles, Anthony
Jacobs, Ben (Inj)
Naitanui, Nic (Inj)
 
Polar Bears

Back: Rory Laird (C)
Back: Daniel Rich (VC)
CC: David Mundy (IM)
Fwd: Tom Hawkins
Fwd: Lachie Hunter
IM: Josh P Kennedy
OM: Marc Murphy
BM: George Hewett
Ruck: Ben McEvoy
Tackler: Rory Sloane
Utility: Brodie Grundy

Emergencies:
Back: Zach Tuohy
CC: Sam Reid (FWD)
Fwd: Tim Membrey
IM: Nathan Jones
OM: David Zaharakis
BM: Cale Hooker
Ruck: Justin Westhoff
Tackler: Jack Redden
Utility: Rhys Stanley

Other:
Jon Ceglar
Ryan Abbott
Callan Ward
Jarryd Roughead
Ben Ronke
Dayne Beams
 
South West Dragons:

B: Heath Shaw
B: Isaac Smith
CC: Michael Hibberd (B)
F: Josh J. Kennedy
F: Gary Ablett
BM: Hugh McCluggage
IM: Ben Cunnington (c)
OM: Marcus Bontempelli (vc)
R: Callum Sinclair
T: Touk Miller
U: Stefan Martin

EMG:
B:
CC: Tom Cutler (B)
F: Toby McLean
BM: Christian Petracca
IM: Luke Dunstan
OM:
R: Stefan Martin
T: Jarryd Lyons
U: Ed Curnow

Brayden Sier
Aaron Sandilands
Archie Smith
Jarrad McVeigh
Kade Simpson
Robbie Gray
Tom Hickey (R)
Joe Daniher
 
Outback Meerkats

B: Luke Ryan
B: Jeremy Howe
CC: Scott Pendlebury (OM)
F: Jordan De Goey
F: Jack Billings
IM: Jaeger O'Meara
OM: Andrew Gaff (c)
BM: Josh Kelly
R: Dawson Simpson (vc)
T: Devon Smith
U: Patrick Dangerfield

EMG:
B: Jason Johannisen
CC: Harris Andrews (B)
F: Ben Brown
IM: Tim Taranto
OM: Steele Sidebottom
BM: Bradley Hill
R: Nathan Vardy
T: Darcy MacPherson
U: Kane Lambert


OUT:
Zac Smith
Lewis Pierce
Jackson Trengove
Dan Hannebery
Jack Graham
Will Hayward
 
Broome Bears
B: Zac Williams
B: Jake Lloyd (c)
CC: Tim Kelly (IM)
F: Eric Hipwood
F: Charlie Curnow
IM: Lachie Neale (vc)
OM: Dion Prestia
BM: Angus Brayshaw
R: Todd Goldstein
T: Dayne Zorko
U: Matt Kreuzer

Emergencies
B: Jimmy Webster
CC: Dane Rampe (B)
F: Jake Melksham
R: Tom Campbell
T: Jarrod Berry
U: Zac Fisher
 
ChickenNuggets said:
Broome Bears
B: Zac Williams 34
B: Jake Lloyd (c) 59*2 = 118
CC: Tim Kelly (IM) 75
F: Eric Hipwood 35.5
F: Charlie Curnow 30
IM: Lachie Neale (vc) 43
OM: Dion Prestia 33
BM: Angus Brayshaw 20.25
R: Todd Goldstein 40
T: Dayne Zorko 35
U: Matt Kreuzer 73
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536.75
 
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Woefully Inept said:
Outback Meerkats

B: Luke Ryan - 45
B: Jeremy Howe - 30
CC: Scott Pendlebury (OM) - 43.5
F: Jordan De Goey - 43.5
F: Jack Billings - 42.5
IM: Jaeger O'Meara - 31
OM: Andrew Gaff (c) - 42*2 - 84
BM: Josh Kelly - 33.75
R: Dawson Simpson (vc) - 24
T: Devon Smith - 50
U: Patrick Dangerfield - 81

EMG:
B: Jason Johannisen - 37
CC: Harris Andrews (B) - 14
F: Ben Brown - 59.5
IM: Tim Taranto - 22
OM: Steele Sidebottom - 40.5
BM: Bradley Hill - 14.25
R: Nathan Vardy - 37
T: Darcy MacPherson - 40
U: Kane Lambert - 72


OUT:
Zac Smith
Lewis Pierce
Jackson Trengove
Dan Hannebery
Jack Graham
Will Hayward
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508.25
 

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sr20 said:
Polar Bears

Back: Rory Laird (C) 55x2=110
Back: Daniel Rich (VC) = 49
CC: David Mundy (IM) = 63
Fwd: Tom Hawkins = 45
Fwd: Lachie Hunter = 43
IM: Josh P Kennedy = 34
OM: Marc Murphy = 33
BM: George Hewett = 29.25
Ruck: Ben McEvoy = 57
Tackler: Rory Sloane = 65
Utility: Brodie Grundy = 125

Emergencies:
Back: Zach Tuohy
CC: Sam Reid (FWD)
Fwd: Tim Membrey
IM: Nathan Jones
OM: David Zaharakis
BM: Cale Hooker
Ruck: Justin Westhoff
Tackler: Jack Redden
Utility: Rhys Stanley

Other:
Jon Ceglar
Ryan Abbott
Callan Ward
Jarryd Roughead
Ben Ronke
Dayne Beams
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653.25
 
WAG said:
Waaat? Where's my team gone?
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So this is my team which I posted from my phone before heading out on Friday night. Clearly no record of it, so ill cop whatevs.

B: Tom Stewart (c) - 59 x 2
B: James Sicily (vc) - 43
CC: Seb Ross (OM) - 44
F: Mitch McGovern - 32
F: Ozario Fantasia - 39
BM: Dylan Shiel - 33.75
IM: Josh Dunkley - 77
OM: Matt Crouch - 27
R: Reilly O'Brien - 34
T: Jack Steele - 20
U: Brad Crouch - 77


544.75
 
WAG said:
So this is my team which I posted from my phone before heading out on Friday night. Clearly no record of it, so ill cop whatevs.

B: Tom Stewart (c) - 59 x 2
B: James Sicily (vc) - 43
CC: Seb Ross (OM) - 44
F: Mitch McGovern - 32
F: Ozario Fantasia - 39
BM: Dylan Shiel - 33.75
IM: Josh Dunkley - 77
OM: Matt Crouch - 27
R: Reilly O'Brien - 34
T: Jack Steele - 20
U: Brad Crouch - 77


544.75
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So thanks for the extra bit of digging I've had to do for a precendent:

I thought we might have had a 5% (Friday)/10% (Saturday)/20% (Sunday)/50% (not a all) rule for teams submitted late. I know non-submission in the past has just been a flat zero, but knowing you I don't doubt the team would have been submitted. I think it's happened to be before, I just can't find the post.

Looking back at one time when Jordie_tackles asked about late submissions I found this:

1.9 Team Submissions
Teams are to be submitted to fan footy by Friday (Or basically on the eve of the first game in each round) at the latest. A thread will also be created each week, specifying when the teams have to be in, with all the details enclosed in that thread. It’s always entitled, Round #: Team Submission. If a team is not submitted on time, the team will be taken as of last week.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/lffl-rules-thread.645479/#post-39191836

Going off last week's team, the changes would be Moore to CC (25), McGrath to F (24.5), B Crouch to IM (30) and Fiorini to U (DNP). It would mean a total of 393.75.

I'm inclined given your record of submitting teams to give you something at least as I know how BF can play up, but we have to have a precedent in place that still penalises people that don't, because we'd hate it to be the scenario in a final or something. But as you're actually playing me, I'm happy to throw it open to the others as to what the precedent becomes.

There's obviously:

- Warning
- Last week's team
- % Penalty of some sort

I'm leaning towards last week's team as that's what we used last time. But what do fightingfury_88 Drew23 sr20 as the long-term players think of this scenario? I know for example Drew was late with submission and didn't play the involved players, ending in a reduced score, so obviously there has to be some penalty.
 
I fell in a similar situation a few weeks back....though think I forgot to hit post as it was still appearing as a default reply when I reloaded the page the next day... As WAG posted after the last game I'd suggest a small penalty to his overall score
 
WAG said:
Happy to cop whatever but it would suck as in my 7 years i don't think ive ever missed. Also legitimately thought id posted my tram as per normal. I usually jump on during the weekend but had Mother's day stuff on and then the showdown.

Anyway I'll leave it to you guys to make a ruling. xx
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I say strip WAG of all premiership points and ban him from the first 2 rounds of the draft. ;)

In all seriousness I'm pretty comfortable that it was an honest mistake by WAG, but whatever decision is made needs to remain consistent with any other similar scenarios that might happen again this season. I think the best way to apply a consistent rule is to just automatically select the same team as the previous week, but apply no % penalty to the score.
 
fightingfury_88 said:
I say strip WAG of all premiership points and ban him from the first 2 rounds of the draft. ;)

In all seriousness I'm pretty comfortable that it was an honest mistake by WAG, but whatever decision is made needs to remain consistent with any other similar scenarios that might happen again this season. I think the best way to apply a consistent rule is to just automatically select the same team as the previous week, but apply no % penalty to the score.
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I say we let WAG off with a warning and we all move on happy in the knowledge that the right thing was done!
 
Is it not a bit hard to apply a percentage penalty now, knowing how it will affect results? Maybe good in future but the last week scenario seems fairest.

Do we now need to back date amos scores to the last time he submitted in 2016 to be fair?
 
So I think I have worked out a fair solution and for future issues where a coach seems to have genuinely had issues submitting.

First time (in a season) - Average points score for the year
Second time - Last week's team
Third and after that - Zero (because if you haven't learnt your lesson by now, too bad and find another way to submit).

I still think there's room to move, but I genuinely believe WAG when he says it was BigFooty stuffing up, so The Ladyboys average score for the season after the first seven rounds is 525.

So it means The Ladyboys 525 defeated South West Dragons 458.5.
 
Pie 4 Life said:
So I think I have worked out a fair solution and for future issues where a coach seems to have genuinely had issues submitting.

First time (in a season) - Average points score for the year
Second time - Last week's team
Third and after that - Zero (because if you haven't learnt your lesson by now, too bad and find another way to submit).

I still think there's room to move, but I genuinely believe WAG when he says it was BigFooty stuffing up, so The Ladyboys average score for the season after the first seven rounds is 525.

So it means The Ladyboys 525 defeated South West Dragons 458.5.
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It also goes without saying this is site-problem related, not "whoops I forgot". So we'll go by the honesty policy, and it happens maybe once a year, so most of the time this shouldn't get past stage 1. But if there's suddenly an influx in "bloody BigFooty" then we'll revise haha. But everyone is pretty good submitting teams.
 
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