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Lol. You definitely improved flooding, but it was under Terry Wallace. Sigh. You won three flags, mate. You don't need to have a victim complex anymore. This the only interesting thing you've said. No, the Hawks never faced a system like yours, in that the closest system to yours in the...

That is the point: that incarnation of Hawthorn made less mistakes, and took more risks with their disposal cognisant that they were good enough to pull it off. The game turns on whether or not you can force them out of chipping to trying to run the ball. I don't think you could. Sigh...

Not what I said at all. My question is why do you think your pressure have an impact on their kick/mark game? They're going to find targets, and they're going to go at 90% by foot at 45 degree angle kicks. Your game is at least nominally designed to force teams to run the ball, but they can...

Here's an idea for you: how about you stop misrepresenting my argument, and I won't start misrepresenting yours, hmm? What I said was this: I said your gameplan wasn't better/worse; I said it was different. If you've ever watched or played a game of football - which is something that is...

The problem you've got is you didn't use the 17-20 gameplan in 12-15. Your method changed; how you used the players you had changed; your list changed. It's not as simple as saying 'we beat them then'; you beat them with a different style, during home and away. They went up a gear in finals and...

It depends at least a little on how the game 'looks'. Both sides didn't really care all that much about the stoppage, setting up to pressure you once you won it; if neither side wants the ball in tight, it becomes a competition of who wants it least, which I think goes to Richmond. So, Hawthorn...

This thread was dumb. It's even dumber now. Maybe by the end of their careers, it'll be non-humans blowing rasberries at each other.

I mean...

It would not surprise me if you wrote for AFL media.

I think their year wasn't even enough to really make that statement. But then, a lot of people simply aren't watching the games this year, so maybe you're right. I think threads like this are near meaningless. Smith will be a gun, possibly inside the top 5 players running round within 4-5...

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The change in the HTB rule hurt Smith badly; he went from someone who looked to take on and beat the tackler to someone who handpassed the second he thought someone had him, and this affected his disposal quality. He was terrific early, but I don't think you can say his year was on par with...

You are embarrassing not for what you think but your way of expressing it. You post petulant rants like this one, and you do not know what opinion, argument or evidence mean, or even the difference between them. You don't really argue, ever, which is why your last post was a step in the right...

... because you're interested in winning an argument rather than being objectively correct. You arrive at your destination knowing that you were going there. Walsh is a gun, and is already pretty close to our best player, but your claim was this: Greene's first year is absolutely superior to...

Toby Greene has him covered in most categories. Plz stop.

I wanted Rankine, and I still want Rankine. Doesn't make Smith or Walsh any better or worse. Walsh will go on to become a mixture of Selwood and Scully; a gut running in/out midfielder who is just always ******* there. He'll take the mark going back with the flight; he'll beat you back into...

On one hand, I am extremely bored. On the other hand, this thread should be moved to the Bay. This is stupid, and I feel stupider for having read all of it.

You copped the brunt of my irritation with the rest of the thread. More than just you have referred to a player's 'ceiling', and the post was directed at the thread at large as much as it was at you.

I think Smith is a hell of a player already, with a rubbish haircut. I think Walsh had a landmark first season, isn't as bad with the ball as is widely thought, and will go on to be a club captain. I would've selected Rankine with pick 1. I don't think, on exposed evidence, that Smith is...

Sigh. You're entitled to an opinion, just as I am to call your opinion stupid. Your opinion is stupid.

I don't disagree. My objection stems from the sheer number of posts that position any of the players mentioned as having a ceiling. All of them are already guns in the making if not guns outright, barely 2 years in. Who the heck knows where they'll be in 3, 4 years time? Imagine what people...

I rather think anyone who thinks they can definitively state anyone's potential has rocks in their head.