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Excellent post. Because you remain skeptical of both sides yet think a lot about it using your own BS meter, your own understanding of things. Tho I do delve deeply into the scientific stuff, I also think someone in this thread posted a perfect and brief summary focused on the simple stuff...

Just quickly....what you quoted from the journal....sounds like they're just rehashing the old story again of pancake collapse based on the the same temperatures that FEMA gave. The most recent report was that the COLUMNS not the joints or the floors collapsed. This report is re-hashing the...

I honestly have not even looked into the gold topic at all. I just 'know' that all the gold got salvaged or taken away without damage. I have not even looked into that issue. As for the journal you referenced...shoot it along. Just click g.g. and send email. Also, the official story and...

That's another thing we haven't really touched on much...the missing gold. And you'd think, to get all that out would require it to be taken away BEFORE the planes hit, BEFORE Sept 11. That'd be a large operation. No coincidence that day(s) before Sept 11 all that gold is shipped out secretly...

That's odd because most of it is 100% accurate. The only bit that could be called far-fetched is me digressing wondering what conservations happened at the Nth American hospital. Otherwise, all true.

Anyone with honest eyes can see a huge difference here.... REAL FAKE A good analogy are those Footy Show lookalike segments. There's usually a pretty stark resemblance BUT you can always tell the difference between them. The resemblance between those two bin ladins is not even that...

There are articles even from mainstream European newspapers citing quotes from intelligence sources that "agree" it's a fake. There's plenty more out there to investigate. Don't rely on Loose Change! Just quickly...The real bin ladin released a videotape just days after this fake one. In it...

There's already been links provided in this and the other thread regarding the confirmed fraudulent Bin Ladin tape. I understand it's a chore rifling thru the pages of this thread. As it would be for me too to locate the page for you. However, Google is a good source to find the information...

Inferno, it's well-accepted worldwide (backed up European Intel agencies too) that the Bin Laden video was fake. It's already been accepted. That isn't disputable.

Whichever way it happened, this world is fcked regardless. The only thing that holds it together is everyday people being friends, helping out other everyday people, etc. Can't ever rely on the power-mongers.

The only thing tho Sheik is that 911 was a complete botch job (taking the conspiracy pov)....in so many ways....all the holes, the cover-ups exposed, the fake bin laden video, the stealing/destroying of documents from national archives, etc etc. As in, the thing did not go off brilliantly. They...

Inferno, I'll read your links/videos/articles in depth asap and give a reply. Might not be till late Monday night tho. I only have snippets of time before then. Late Mon-mid Fri I'm good, late Fri-late Mon I'm spread too thin. Appreciate your excellent contributions!

Can you provide a link that officially explains that a law is preventing the release of tapes? Because that seems absurd to me. Private ownership? Explain how the FBI confiscated security tapes of privately owned CITGO gas station, privately owned Hotels, etc? Explain how air traffic control...

Inferno.... Well it would be just as strange for Thermite to do that now wouldn't it since it would fall in a similar way (despite that fact you need thousands of pounds of it and next to impossible for it to cut vertically with someone controlling it). Don't jump from one theory to if it...

Too many left and right combos there for me to deal with at once, Inferno. But I shall reply asap. As for the displayed picture...no comment lol.

The evidence is in the video. Just this....the very first floor that falls has already pulverized into dust. Floor 81st, say, is what? 10 meters above floor 80? It's that floor by floor thing. It's being pulverized and exploded out into manhattan IN THE INSTANCE OF ITS COLLAPSE. It's like how...

Things don't just become dust. A floor collapsing onto another doesnt turn it into dust or sandy particles. Eg...where's all of Flight 93 (shanksville)? It got blown out of the sky, by military jet. Debris scattered miles. Bones, teeth, tiny pieces. Eg...where's all of Flight 77...

Very good counter-posts by the both of you. Some of the stuff you highlight warrants more careful understanding by the likes of me. I'll need to think about it a bit more. But something I can shoot quickly back is this.....the dust created by the falling floors....there's not a chance that...

So....Something that hasn't been considered, and I'm not sure of it's feasibility, but WTC1-2 could have been laden with sacks of thermite compound right around the building perimeter on intermittent floors, and thus, when the planes crashed into the towers, the jet fuel fireballs would have...

Let us look back now on your introduction... 1. "Examination of known facts as they relate to scientific principles"....Did you actually address any? Where did you get the 1100+ degrees from? Did you conduct any tests or analysis of jet fuel and what temperatures it can reach? Did you...

1. Testimony of those NOT involved at ground zero is obviously dismissable. But he completely doesn't credit all those who WERE involved at ground zero who DO/DID claim the steel was molten and that temperatures were seething above 1100+ degrees for months. There have been many official...

1. Blasters do concentrate on lower floors. Reports and documented evidence does suggest multiple blasts occured in the sub-basement. In fact, evidence shows that the Slurry walls were shifted upwards of 18 inches. For this to occur 'massive' explosions would have had to occur. 2. Smaller...

You're wrong, btw, about the OC thing. Why is an important event like 911 inferior to topics like Hird>Buckley, or the never-ending TLC conversation pieces, or the Cousins drug thread, or the Port 34 flags debate, or the Crows-Port-Tredrea type troll threads. The difference also is that this...

The motives have been touched upon many times in this thread. Sometimes in greater depth. Iam sure a person of your intelligence you'd already understand these motives.

Actually, before the A-wall collapsed (there's a picture been posted) there was a small approx 16 foot entry point, and we know about the 16 foot exit hole in C-wall. Seems to suggest a thing powerful enough to penetrate three layers, like a bullet entry and exit hole in a torso. A boeing's...

No the analogy about burden of proof would be....if the police claimed I commited a crime and they took me to court, they would have to prove i did it. In this case, they're claiming terrorists flying a boeing crashed into the pentagon. So...before they can say the terrorists officially did it...

Waspy.... I wanted to copy-paste some things out of that PDF you linked to me. So I could add my comments underneath. But the stupid thing is secure password locked. Grr. So I will have to manually type the comments or screen capture them one by one. So I will do this asap. I haven't forgotten...

Thanks for your contribution. It wasn't A witness tho, it was many witnesses who noted two planes at the moment of impact....one right above the other....or one trailing it before the explosion...or in front of it before the explosion. Considering most of those are before impact, then it's...

I appreciate your argument, and your effort writing that analogy....but it's not a good analogy, for many reasons. That would be a stadium where everyone is SPECTATING the game and all their eyes peeled on every bit of action. Pentagon was early in the morning and there weren't many people there...

Are you still suggesting that it was a missile? What about the poles ripped out the ground? The hundreds of eye-witness accounts sighting a plane? I am suggesting it's not a Boeing. It looks suspiciously like a Global Hawk, if you've ever seen one of those side on? But the problem is that a...