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But we are. He'd perfectly slot into the vacant wing spot at the moment. BZT was the worst defender in the AFL last year, we could have kept X and still pulled off the trade.

Seems to be an improved player this year, I was actually thinking that he'd slot into our vacant wing spot at the moment. Yes I know he came for BZT I don't think Duursma would have been the end all be all to completing that deal.

Still our greatest ruck play since Ryder to Robbie

Lol the GWS ruck that destroyed Lycett was who Hayes easily beat when we won by 50 points. Despite what Ken says about losing more with youth, real possibility that we are in the prelims with this switch.

Couldn't even do it right with Bonner and Gray to move them into F/S criteria too.

I understand cutting the losses argument with Hayes and Butcher But when you don't do the same with shitty small forwards, as in put 50 games of development into rookie drat level players, then you aren't convincing anyone that your're right at all

Have to wonder if other AFL clubs wanted Bass

I'll play devil's advocate If he's good enough for Collingwood, he's more than good enough for us

Probably doesn't know because we're promoting within

Seeking vindication for what has been a pretty underwhelming career

We likely win the premiership in 2020 if he doesn't play We punted a still good Ryder and neglected the development and drafting of rucks because of him. Not his fault but no thanks. One of the worst signings the club has ever done.

I don't know how the club can justify letting Fantasia go so easily when they've regularly kept shit small forwards on the list for years.

Two clubs with a better forward line and that finished above us rate him as a required player but we don't? This club needs to humble itself

I understand pushing a player out to get some trade pieces but I don't understand why the club needs to shit on them as well. Stop being so arrogant and acting like we're coming off multiple premierships.

Didn't Hayes beat the the ruck that destroyed Lycett in the semis?

Random but I don't understand the Aussie culture of hating players when they celebrate passionately after a goal or something.

Didn't we pull an assistant from GWS? Is he really not on the same plane as Goldsack/Hartlett?

Bye

Didn't Duursma play a 'decoy' wing role? So it's more realistic to losing a 20 possession player than a 15 one.

Like with booting Bassett, it's hard to justify delisting Fantasia when we're loading games into McEntee who is like 10 times worse at football.

Culturally the US is different to Australia in that the expectations are that you move to another state to study/work etc when you finish school. I actually liked when Australian international athletes shit on AFL players for their refusal to isolate at 5 star premium hotels at the Gold Coast...

I mean Bassett was just that. I think Bass needed to go but this screams the club trying to show they are ruthless when it's actually pathetic.

Shouldn't the fact that the team that easily knocked us out want Fantasia mean that we should look to keep him? Why is there so much arrogance with our club?

If we need to go internally, then at least make it that GWS development assistant we took

I can't remember if it was for Duursma but I recall a recent draft footage of ours that showed Geelong recruiters being visibly frustrated of a player we took before them

Isn't a better approach telling him to put in the work and show us that he can be a midfielder rather than telling him 'no son, go somewhere else and understand that I'm always right '

He can play straight away for us but to be honest from what we've seen of him he's barely an AFL standard defender. Short term we're not in premiership contention anyway. There's nothing that suggests BZT will make it as a long term key defender.

Both Duursma and BZT are depth level players right now and in that case I'd rather go for the former first round draftee, younger and player with more potential which is Duursma. Adding a stop gap to our situation so that we can pretend we're contending can also set us backwards. See Scott...

I hope it's more than a straight swap. I rather keep Duursma and ask Jonas to unretire

If GWS want Fantasia, it should mean that we should keep him